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by Paladin
Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:41 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges
Replies: 37
Views: 17493

Re: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges

Somewhat strange video from a GenZ'er, but it lays out the highlights of the court action against SIG regarding the 320 and additional details about the kind of guy who is current running the company (this company ain't your dad's SIG Sauer):



The summary is that the SIG320 design is flawed, as are the manufacturing processes, possibly leading to un-commanded discharge, most especially when the pistol is in the vertical position (ie holstered). The companies President and CEO is a confirmed criminal: CEO Of U.S. Gun-Maker Faces Jail In Germany

SIG Sauer CEO Avoids Jail Time For Role in Illegal Arms Shipment
Cohen was given an 18-month prison sentence, with all of that time suspended. He was also fined $675,000.
Sadly all this gives the anti-gunners ammunition.
by Paladin
Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:29 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges
Replies: 37
Views: 17493

Re: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges

philip964 wrote: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:36 am https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation ... 90051.html

Apparent lawsuit is proceeding.
“There have been over 100 incidents (and likely multiples more) of the Sig Sauer unintentionally discharging when the user believed they did not pull the trigger, many of which have caused severe injury to the users and/or bystanders,” the complaint states.

...On one occasion, a Pennsylvania state trooper was killed when another trooper’s Sig Sauer pistol fired without him touching the trigger during a safety training in 2015, the complaint states.

The lawsuit called the pistol the “most dangerous pistol for its users sold in the United States market."
That's a whole lot of very serious problems for one pistol.
by Paladin
Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:31 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges
Replies: 37
Views: 17493

Re: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges

Another Sig P320 fired on its own in the holster:

by Paladin
Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:02 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges
Replies: 37
Views: 17493

Re: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges

Scott B. wrote: Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:09 am
Beiruty wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:52 pm Do those P320 issued to service members and LEO have a manual safety?
Yes, and the M17/M18 never had the issue the commercial 320 side corrected in 2017.
As the gun community started to circulate word of the problem, Sig Sauer announced a “voluntary upgrade” program in August 2017, allowing P320 owners to ship their guns to the company for a free fix to guard against the “rare occurrence” of accidental discharge in a drop. But its website insists that the unrepaired gun “meets and exceeds all US safety standards,” and the company has not issued a recall. ... But more than 500,000 pistols were sold before Sig Sauer acknowledged the problem publicly, according to company statements to several gun trade publications...Three sellers displayed unrepaired guns, yet claimed they had been upgraded. ...“Safety without compromise,” Sig Sauer promotional materials boast. “We’ve designed safety elements into every necessary feature on this pistol. From the trigger, to the striker and even the magazine, the P320 won’t fire unless you want it to.”...During testing on April 20, 2016, the military says it discovered that the Sig Sauer pistol would fire on its own when dropped. The examination used a test version of ammunition, similar to a blank. A recent Department of Defense report describes what happened. “During drop testing in which an empty primed cartridge was inserted, the striker struck the primer causing a discharge,”
law enforcement officers are suing over a pistol that can fire when you drop it. {JUN 2018}

Basically SIG lied about not having a problem... To say there is no longer a problem, when they lied about there being a problem in the first place and hundreds of thousands of unrepaired guns are still floating around is something I simply don't trust.

SIG's website still refers to the fix as the P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program :banghead:
by Paladin
Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:11 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges
Replies: 37
Views: 17493

Re: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges

The Annoyed Man wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:05 pm
Paladin wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:47 pm
The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:56 pm Wait……isn’t the M17 basically just a P320 in kaki underwear? If the gun is so dang dangerous, how did it pass military acceptance trials?


How did Universal Camouflage Pattern (UCP) ever pass military acceptance trials?

Why don't military rifles have free-floated barrels?

Big Army does stupid things in Big Ways.

The dirty little secret that anyone who has served knows is that the military is actually one of the worst offenders when it comes to wasting American tax dollars.

No worries, its us paying for all that government waste. :banghead: :banghead:
I agree that as a general institution, our military is as wasteful as it gets—except for maybe the Marine Corps, which gets everyone else's cast-offs and has done more with less throughout its entire history. But to the point with the Sig M17, these pistols have been issued now for a while, and in some quantity. How many of them "just went off" all by their onesies? I’m guessing none, or it would already be being dissected in Congress, with dems blaming it all on "drumpf" because he’s STILL living rent free in their heads.
Commanders have an easy fix... just require soldiers to keep them unloaded :anamatedbanana
by Paladin
Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:47 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges
Replies: 37
Views: 17493

Re: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges

The Annoyed Man wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 5:56 pm Wait……isn’t the M17 basically just a P320 in kaki underwear? If the gun is so dang dangerous, how did it pass military acceptance trials?
How did Universal Camouflage Pattern (UCP) ever pass military acceptance trials?

Why don't military rifles have free-floated barrels?

Big Army does stupid things in Big Ways.

The dirty little secret that anyone who has served knows is that the military is actually one of the worst offenders when it comes to wasting American tax dollars.

No worries, its us paying for all that government waste. :banghead: :banghead:
by Paladin
Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:33 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges
Replies: 37
Views: 17493

Re: Sig P320 un-commanded discharges

Scott B. wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:28 am She's pictured with w/ a full size P320 X or PRO in a Serpa holster with a big paddle. That's a large holster, fairly weighty firearm shoved into a purse with an easy to release retention holster.
That's 2 big mistakes. The Sig P320 AND the Serpa

Both are no no

I know a guy who dropped his P320 once. Once.

He survived, but got rid of the pistol and bought a Glock (I couldn't talk him into an M&P)

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