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philip964 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:25 amHave you noticed Russia became our avowed enemy only after Trump became President. Why is that? And only among the newsmedia and Democrats.

Yeah, ain't that the truth. I'm still seething over "the 80's called, they want their foreign policy back". Among many, many other things on many, many other issues.

Look, I know Trump isn't perfect and he's prone to boneheaded statements. I want him to succeed and when he's wrong I'll say so. But my gosh the left makes it all but impossible to do anything other than dig in deeper, even when I might not want to.

I truly don't see how the country survives without some kind of civil war or a separation. We cannot continue down this path.

Bitter Clinger wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:57 am How come the DemocRats are silent about the $400 million of illegally-obtained money in Russia that was funneled to Hillary's campaign with the help of US Intelligence under Obama?

There's that too, although now there's also the question of why a Republican AG apparently isn't looking into it either, among other things.

I don't blame Trump for being generally upset with the so-called intelligence agencies (CIA, FBI, his own AG). But again, that press conference was probably not the time or place to harp on it, again. Plus, he's in charge of them now for crying out loud - DO SOMETHING!

flechero wrote: ↑Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:28 am I'm still not sure what the issue is... having a "connection" to someone in russia or who does business with russia is a far cry from trying to fix an election. (which by the way did happen on dem primary)

Further- the indictments were not for collusion they were not for interfering in an election and appear to only be there to see if anyone can roll over and provide any possible link to Trump. And it was not the Trump team who changed the terminology to "collusion."

All the indictments against russians are [IMO] for show... they will never be extradited, be tried or even be in court so muller doesn't have to show any evidence that they were guilty of anything. But the mere indictment looks like he made progress which keeps muller's tax dollar vortex wide open. Sucking the money and life out of our already politically divided country.

Not sure why the well known and established connections between the clintons and russians are not a problem. Oh, right, because they were ALSO working with the FBI and DOJ.

No one disputes that russia tried to influence the election. But that doesn't mean Trump helped them.

This is pretty much where I'm at on this. I had the press conference on yesterday while doing chores around the house and wasn't paying much attention. I heard Trump go on about "there was no collusion" but didn't hear the context of the question. Two things immediately came to my mind - "man, he's really upset about this Mueller investigation, and rightly so" and "OK, but this is probably not the time or place". Anyway, shortly thereafter this "treason!" stuff starts popping up everywhere and Schumer is on ranting about it more hysterically than usual, which is saying a lot. Even people I normally trust were upset. So now I'm like "dang, what did I miss?".

Again, not having heard whatever Trump said in context, my thoughts while listening to Schumer was "oh, NOW you're upset when a president blames America first? Welcome to the last 50 years of YOUR PARTY, fellow. Apology tour, anyone???".

I don't know. Trump says cringeworthy stuff all the time but it usually turns out to be either a deflection or something that's at least semi-valid. Am I missing something?