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Tom,
Does this mean that CHL carry in schools is off your list?

seamusTX wrote:

Liberty wrote:Why should any school teacher be denied the right to defend themselves. ... Seems strange to me we can trust teachers with our chldrens minds, but we can't trust them with a gun.

Excellent point.

I've said before that if I were king for a day, I would wipe out chapter 46 of the penal code.

The problem is that we live in a roughly democratic system, and the public reaction to allowing any gun anywhere is too much for some of our fellow citizens to handle. Removing the restriction on colleges and universities woud be a good first step.

- Jim

I know you are right about the public acceptance, and I also believe that that it is more critical to let folks arm themselves at out colleges and university. but the publics reluctance to allow CHLers to pack in our public schools has no real logic behind it. It is all about irrational fears. If the killings in Pennsylvania didn't convince the soccer Mom's and Teachers unions I don't know what will.

anygunanywhere wrote:I was just reading another one of those "That durn city/county/government posted them dadgum illegal 30.06 signs at that fair/show/building and I don't want to be the test case so I dadgum well won't go" threads.

If you have read some of my posts I have very little tolerance for signs. I do not violate signs that meet the letter of the law. I will walk past ones that are a lame attempt and scare some CHLrs.

Now that the traveling/car carry issue has been resolved (Anygun looks around to make sure), I would like our legiscritters to fix the issue where governments blatantly violate the intent of 30.06. If a law states "SO and SO can not do this" then by golly there better be penalties involved and legal recourse for us to pursue if "SO and SO" does it and some of their enforcers take action.

School must be defined, and college is not school.

Elementary school. Sounds like the words fit.
Middle school. Yup. That fits.
High school. Definitely fits.
University school. Nope.
College school. Nuhuh.

If the building has "school" in the title, that does not mean it is always a school. If a school district leases the place to some bonafide church it is a church and if they say bring your guns, so much the better.

And if I want to go to a fight and watch a hockey game break out whiole packing I should be allowed to do so. After all, they got sticks.

Anygun

Why should any school teacher be denied the right to defend themselves. Are teachers by law concidered a`lower form of human because their charges are younger,
Seems strange to me we can trust teachers with our chldrens minds, but we can't trust them with a gun.

tomneal wrote:Schools / baby steps

Maybe the baby step is:

Colleges and universities.
Many of our legislatures considered that after Virginia Tech.

There wasn't time in 2007

It might be a tough sell in 2009, but...

They didn't even try in 2007.

tomneal wrote:It's not too early to start our list for 2009.

Texas

- CHL is a valid ID

Not a big deal to me I have enough official IDs I'd rather make the laws so as I wouldn't need a CHL.

tomneal wrote: - SB501 - 30-06 has no meaning when cities post their facilities. Make it a Felony for the any government official that posts a building in Texas, including federal buildings. Also includes the Houston Red Badge of CHL. (This falls under the heading of Dream Big.)

I don't care to much about this one. the 30.06 is useless, everyone with with a CHL should know it. If they don't they didn't pay enough attention in their class.

tomneal wrote: - Parking lot bill. (I think this is the only bill we pushed, that didn't make it in 2007.)

Important but if the bill takes on the same form as it did this session I hope they don't bother. Having to notify the employer in writing was a real dumb idea. After all the effort that went into the bill securing CHL records even.

tomneal wrote:
- CHL holders packing in school buildings and events.

This one is critical its all about saving and protecting young lives. This should have priority over any of the the other bills.

tomneal wrote: - Courts and professional sporting events must have secure storage available or they can't post.

I can't get excited about this one although I stand behind in principle. I see too many brawls and fights in the stands. I can't see anyone who is concerned about situational awareness wanting to go to a major league sports event armed or unarmed. Well maybe an autoracing event. I've never seen a fight in one of those.

tomneal wrote: - No voluntary searches of CHL holders vehicles. If the officer has probable cause, get a warrant, otherwise NO!

What does CHL have to do with the search? I agree with the no searches of anyones vehicle.

I would add to the list open carry. We should be allowed with or without a CHL. Well maybe we should be allowed to carry if we sport a an official CHL badge.

tomneal wrote:
Federal

- Buy and sell guns anywhere in the US. If they are doing the background check in Washington, there is no reason I shouldn't be able to buy a gun in Nevada.

- Carry in National Parks

- Carry in Post Offices. (Did I read that it's only a $50 fine? Maybe I'll just spot them the $50 if they spot me and take offense.)

- Make it legal to use abbreviations on a 4473 yellow form. Remove County from the form. (TX, Hou., Y, N Should all be ok.) (If you know the city, state, and zip, Why do you need the county?)

- Dissolve the BATF.

All I have to say about this is that the NRA is pretty good about fighting defensive battles, While states all over the country are making aggressive progress. The NRA is mostly about fighting the defensive legislative battles. They haven't made much forward progress. I think any forward progress is unlikely in the near future. I really hope I am wrong.