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E.Marquez wrote:

Liberty wrote: I'm nit picking I know, but we need to be accurate when presenting our case to the other side.
An M16 or M4 is an AR15.

If picking nits, then NO an AR 15 Semi Auto rifle is NOT an M4 or M16 Select fire Assault rifle.

No more then a Volkswagen is a Porsche .. yes both are cars, both are german manufacture , both even came at one time with a flat 4 cylinder motor, but one is not the other, nor capable of each others abilities.

No more than a All Wheel drive Minivan is a Jeep YJ yes both can be had in full time all wheel drive, but one is not the other, nor capable of each others abilities.

True, but the phrase I was commenting on did not use the modifier Semi-Automatic.
The original statement "Follow up with, "if that's true, why is it that not one single military in the world, including our own, uses the AR-15 as an assault rifle?" is incorrect and could be claimed to be a lie or deception by the other side. I believe we need to be accurate in making our case, and not being the folks that use distorted facts and truths like the other side.

Of course the M4 and M16 are AR-15s , although they are not "semi-auto only AR-15s".

As a side note, is the additional feature of full auto or burst mode a huge difference in practicality? I never thought so. Choices are always good, But I consider the civilian high-end AR-15s available today to be higher performance than the the standard M4 / M16s that are at war today , Certainly better performers than what they let me use in my day.

G26ster wrote: I'm not doubting that the M16 and M4 are AR-15 "pattern" guns, or that M16 and M4 are military designations for the AR-15 "pattern," but without the select fire switch, the civilian model AR-15 is neither a "weapon of war" nor an assault rifle used by any military. So, by placing the words "civilian model" before AR-15 should make my questions entirely accurate IMHO.

Yes, That's what I was trying to say.

G26ster wrote:

Liberty wrote: I'm nit picking I know, but we need to be accurate when presenting our case to the other side.
An M16 or M4 is an AR15.

The M16 and M4 have a select fire switch allowing it to be fully automatic. The non class3 AR-15 does not. Am I wrong?

The M16 and M4 are government designations for an AR-15 that has the Select Fire Switch. Can be full auto or burst mode. They are still an AR-15 pattern gun. I don't know how much of a trademark Colt has, but it seems to me everyones making them and calling it an AR-15.

G26ster wrote:

1. Is the AR-15 a "weapon of war used to kill as many people as possible in as short a period of time as possible?"

Typical answer would likely be "yes."

Follow up with, "if that's true, why is it that not one single military in the world, including our own, uses the AR-15 as an assault rifle?"

I'm nit picking I know, but we need to be accurate when presenting our case to the other side.
An M16 or M4 is an AR15.