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Right2Carry wrote:To compare me to anti is laughable at best. The fact is I do service jobs on the side and not once would I think about entering someones private residence armed, its a little thing called RESPECT. I don't know how they feel about guns and their home is PRIVATE property, not a public business.

What surprises me is that a CHLer would disarm another CHLer. That a CHL holder doesn't RESPECT the licence and the RKBA. A service person entering anothers property sets himself up to a dangerous situation. A homeowner should be able to RESPECT that.

Right2Carry wrote: The problem as I see it is some of the people on this forum want to be RESPECTED for their right, but seem to have a problem with RESPECTING others and their rights.

Unless you own your own company or work for a small time operation I doubt company policy allows you to carry into a customers home.

You definately have a right to deny anyone into your home. If you feel that way you should make up some cards or paper with 30.06 wording and hand it to the service personell. I would not enter your property. I would not allow anyone who works for me to enter your property. Anyone who attempts to disarm me is threatening me and is a danger to me. I will not expose my self to unnecessary danger. Your private property is a much more threatening place to me than public places.

Right2Carry wrote: How would you feel if you printed or exposed your firearm and the homeowner then requests that you leave because they don't like firearms. What do you think is going to happen when they call asking for another appointment and requesting a different service person. I think the minute they state the service person was armed in their house, the company will immediately say it is against their policy and said service person will be looking for a new job.

I would feel awful that I exposed my handgun .. But I would feel awful that I were to flash in Walmart. I do not know what kind of company you work for, but not every company is anti gun. Most service companys are small, or even owner operatated. Many of these service companys are subcontractors for larger companys. I would think it is very unwise to go into a strangers home unarmed.

Right2Carry wrote: IMHO this whole issue revolves around RESPECT. Just because I have a CHL doesn't mean it is always wise to carry a weapon. I asked in another post for someone to provide statistics on how many service personel have been robbed, killed, raped, murdered, while on a call in someones house. Pizza drivers are excluded because they are in a different category.

The pizza delivery guy doesn't have to go inside! I will not work in any place where my safety is not RESPECTED.
I don not understand how my safety has anything to do with any respect (or lack of respect)I might have for the homeowner. When you ask me to disarm you ask me to expose myself to danger.

Right2Carry wrote: Show me some statistics that say repair personel are at a high risk of being attacked by homeowners.

I guess I am an anti because I think a mans home is his CASTLE. I think some of the people on here are confusing a business that serves the public with a persons PRIVATE HOME.

A business is a safer place to go than someones home. More witnesses. I won't go to 30.06 busineses either.

Right2Carry wrote: I guess I just have more respect for the people who I provide a service to than others do. IMHO, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN, DOESN'T MEAN YOU ALWAYS SHOULD.

I have no respect for any business or persons that want to disarm me and has no RESPECT for my safety. I will gladly not do business with them.

Right2Carry wrote: IF people on this forum are going to use as an argument that the service person is trustworthy because he has a CHL, than I want to know how to verify this claim. See I already know the answer but I want to hear it from those on this board that say trust the guy because he TOLD you he is a CHL holder.

I find it amazing that the same people on here who see a bad guy behind every bush, rock, car and tree, would all of a sudden take the word of a guy who is a complete stranger in your home performing service work.

Once again the question has been avoided.

The answer is obvious. If a serviceman flashes. You can ask if he has a CHL. If he responds affirmative. You can ask to see his CHL. You can ask him to leave if he doesn't have one.

Right2Carry wrote: The problem here is that the service person can tell you he is a CHL holder and he has no requirement to prove to you that he is or isn't. A CHL holder is only required to show his ID to a LEO not joe blow citizen.

It is also my experiance that most Companies forbid the carrying of firearms in Company Vehicles. Would you trust someone who has already decided to violate company policy? Is this person trustworthy? If he flashes you have no way in knowing that he is a legit CHL holder.

The issue here IMHO has nothing to do with trusting a fellow CHL holder, but is the guy actually a CHL holder. As so many have posted on here that they would never divulge to Joe Blow Citizen whether they have a CHL if asked or stopped in a store by a security person, I find it hard to believe they would show their CHL to a homeowner who requests it to prove they are legal. Anyone can say they have a CHL in your home.

Many service people are self employed. I don't know where you get the idea that most employers forbid guns, is just not true. Maybe its just that we hear people complain about the ones do ban it. My pizza guy carries. But it is pizza hut deliveries that we hear about.

While I understand that there are CHLers that might not be safe. I have found that CHLers are a safer group of people than other gun folks such as hunters, or range plinkers. I see no indications that as a group CHLers are more accident prone than LEOs. Even among the stupid Holstereed guns don't jump out of a holster or go off accidentally. Of the 1 million or so license holders in the country I've only heard i've AD/ND incidents while the licensee was actually handling the gun while unholstered. such as at a range while cleaning or at a gun show. While I have heard of at least one LEO who pulled the trigger while a gun was holstered in his pocket.

BrassMonkey wrote:I think we are talking specifically about a service person. If I see it, I would take that as a sign of non professionalism or perhaps even a safety issue. I instruct him to leave and request a new service person at that point. The very next steps are his out the door.n I think the official passing of Castle Doctrine reaffirms the sacredness of a man's home..

My $.02

It is absolutely your right. but I don't think if a serviceman flashes that it is necessarily unprofessional. Sometimes while working one is put into unusual postures or positions. I would feel more comfortable though if i found out that a service worker has a CHL because that suggest that he isn't a felon, or drug addict.

Maybe Texas isn't ready for it yet, But I I would love to see an ad that says "All our Installers are CHL Qualified!" This would be a wonderful way certifying the character of the personnel. and we could be assured that we were not letting criminals into our homes.

BrassMonkey wrote:How do I know he/she is legal?

How would you know if he/she is packing? If someone flashes, I would ask them if they are legal. If it was some visiting proffessionally I would ask to see the CHL. I don't invite people to mi casa socially unless I trust them anyway. If someone flashed because they were carrying unproffessionally, or unsafely, I would ask them to leave the gun in the car.

BrassMonkey wrote:I still would prefer people I do not know entering my home with a firearm. Especially with a 4 year old here.

You could always post a 30.06. or you can take comfort in that you will never know if a visitor is armed. I am always a little taken aback when a CHLer shows fear of legally armed peoples.

What is your fear? that the gun will go off while its holstered? That the Child will unholster the gun and pull the trigger? or that the CHL will flip out and start shooting? Would you ask an LEO to leave his gun in his car?