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Lucky45 wrote:

Liberty wrote: By denying thre crazies we would put less importance on their lifes than on those of us who may be more whole.

Can you answer the direct question about a felon who is whole that has been "rehabilatated" in prison and is released. They are denied posessing a gun. Are their lives of less important?? Now remember you can be a felon for many different reasons, not just robbery or murder.

i while I believe that felons deserve an oportunity to to at least earn the right. The constitution doesn't exempt felons in the 2nd ammendment, nor does it exempt crazies, However this is a different point and off topic.

The difference between a felon and a crazy is that the felon has proven by their actions they are untrustworthy. They are judge by a system that has checks and balances.

What makes someone crazy is how they think. If they do something wrong and break the rules they should lose the appropriate rights. Someone is crazy because they think differently than the norm.

Some people thought Audie Murphy and Douglas MacArthur were crazy. Should they have been disarmed? Who is to make the judgment? doctors and psychologist? Those guys are amongst the craziest of folks. Did you read about the gynecologist in this thread that asked in a form if their was a gun in the house? Sounded a little obsessive to me.

Lucky45 wrote:.

What makes you think that every single person that goes through mental illness is going to shoot a bunch of people? You can't. Going through depression is like getting the flu. More people than not have went through depression.

I am not talking about depression. I am talking about mentally sickness to the point where those people are a threat to others and have to be remove from general population, per se. for everyone's safety.

Liberty is talking about all these supposedly "crazy" people he knows but I bet he would leave his kid for them to babysit. Or he would have them stay over for the weekend, if they are that safe. It is fine to say stuff in broad daylight, but will you trust them with your eyes closed.

No one has a mission to take away others freedom under the constitution, but we are not living in a utopia world where everything is roses. Like said earlier, plenty others have rights too and they are barred from getting a handgun after mental "REHABILITATION." I think they call it that. after 15 years in 6x10 cell.

I would trust most of the people I mentioned with my kids at some point. Elaine had in fact had baby sat my children. and I was a young child when I first met Joel. A couple of them have spent the night at my house.

The reality is that more people are hurt raped or killed because they have no means of defense Its very rare that some crazy goes postal and kills a bunch of people. By denying thre crazies we would put less importance on their lifes than on those of us who may be more whole.

Someone yesterday said that Liviu Librescu was crazy for trying to keep out Cho Like he did. I wish he had a gun.

tvone wrote:I agree, none of those examples would fall under the catagory of being mentally incapacitated to the point they are a danger.

None of them had been committed unvoluntarily to a hospital and deemed a danger.

I'm talking about the truly dangerous individuals, like the VT loon, the kid in Frisco wanting to be a seriel killer, or my ex-wife who wanted to skin me alive and roast me over a fire. The type of person who says "I want to kill xyz" and you know they mean it.

I believe most of truly crazy are smart enough to hide it from those who have any power to make a decision.

I am another who doesn't believe that the simple fact of being crazy should be enough to keep anyone from ownining a gun or getting a CHL. I've been truly blessed to have known and been around some eccentrics, and even some certifiable crazys. Some I would trust my life to. None of them would I want to deny the most basic right to protect themself.

Names changed to protect the innocent.

Elaine lost her husband when he went of to his job on a fishing boat and never came back. She was put on some heavy duty drugs .. after about 2 years she and her family had enough of her being a zombie. She went cold turkey one day and continued went to work and is living a normal life.


Anastasia has panic attacks and can't even drive a car. Yet she is level headed in her own way. She understands that the she has no rational reason to feel paniced ... She is trustworthy in her judgement its just that sometimes moments she is pretty unfunctional.

Jerry, a brilliant programer and crazy as a loon. He would tell us all of crazy dreams and thought. He would explain how he could go tripping by just closing his eyes. Yet he was one of the smartest people I've known, he never hurt anyone. and could be trusted to do anything he he promissed.

Crazy Joel. A local charactor where I grew up. Would talk our ear off telling stories and talking about other charactors long gone. He walked with a bad limp, and his voice was slured, but his English was fine even though he was not born in this country. He nearly got killed when a shell tore a chunk of his skull from his head. After all he came to this country because the Fascist chased him out. Him and his brother had a score to settle.

I wouldn't want anyone of these folks to be denied the right to own a gun. All are/were trustworthy.