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I think we have allowed the leftist to control the discussion and the language. We allowed a little sleep deprivation, soldiers handling the Koran and a little waterboarding to be called torture. Obama is making a big deal of emptying out the Guantanomo Bay holding facilities several months from now. Guantanamo Bay naval base will still remain open BTW. The place has out lived its usefulness. President Bush would be faced with the same decision if he were to remain in office.

The question remains. "Do these people have any value to us?" Some may still have valued information. We should use what ever means we have to get this information. out of them. They may have some value to their families We could trade them them for something like Osama's head. If we determine they have no value we can return them to the Iraqi or Afghani tribesman who might have some unresolved issues with them. Unless they are directly involved in terrorism. There is no reason to clog up our court systems the Afghani and Kurdish Tribesman will be glad to handle the trial and punishment details for us. It only gets complicated when when we try to take care of details ourselves.

I dare say that these people even the so called tortured ones were better taken care of than the unconvicted in our own Texas Jails. They are cleaner, better fed, and protected from other prisoners. I find it paradoxial that we fuss about how the terrorist are treated. When or own unconvicted are allowed to be raped and beaten in our system. I' just can't accept that being raped is OK while waterboarding to save American lives is unacceptable.

Just my thoughts.

stroo wrote:Purple,

Thanks for your service but the following is a)false and b)a calumny against all of us: "This is just as bad as what the NVA were doing to the likes of John McCain in the Hanoi Hilton."

We are not treating the prisoners at Gitmo anything like the NVA treated John McCain. We are not beating them, breaking bones, tying them into positions that cause permanent damager, not giving medical treatment or starving them. At worst, we waterboarded 3, repeat 3, prisoners. And that was the worst thing we have done. It is the only thing we have done that arguably relates to torture as historically understood.

So please let's at least get the facts right before we start making accusations.

Glad too see someone sees what is happening in a proper perspective. When they start calling having Christians handle a Koran torture you know they are being handled a lot better and with more sensitiy, than the guy we recently discussed who spent 8 months in Galveston Jail because he dared to defend himself. The guy was found to have commited no crime.

Who do you think ate better? the guys at Gitmo or the innocent guy in Galveston Jail?
Who was more likely raped?
Who was more realistically scared of of his fellow prisoners or guards.
Who eats better?

We allow the Marxist to frame the discussions and it gets ridiculous. I agree that that they need to be treated humanly.. I see very little to convince me that they aren't treated a whole lot better than our own unconvicted prisoners held for trials.

I do believe that if some are deemed to dangerous to ever be let loose that they could disappear while being transported to their homeland. What we don't know won't hurt us.

My, belief is they could just disappear. Their familys should understand it happens to their people on the time in their own countrys. Not everyone always returns from a fishing trip. Some people are fishers, others are bait.

It's not unexpected, and the prisoner facilitys day were pretty much numbered anyway, Mc Cain promised to do the same thing. Bush would likely have closed the place down in a few months anyway. What ticks me off about the whole thing though is that the charges of torture go unchallanged, and the whole Obama nation seems to accept that we were evily torturing prisoners in the most sadistic way. That these Jihadist were poor innocent victims. While some might worry about 'Him' taking away our guns. I believe that the biggest evil this man is going to do is that him and his leftist cronies are rewriting history and going to get away with it.

Newt, where are you when we need you!!