An unarmed Citizen was able to restrain the bad guy with a bearhug. And 3 cops struggled to control the situation. Sounds to me like they should hire the bearhug guy to show them how to do it.
Why is it Baytown seems to have so many problems with bringing folks into their custody? Is there something in their water .. Are their citizens less cooperative, or are the LEO there poorly trained?
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- Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:46 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"
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- Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:12 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"
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Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"
LEOs seems to get most controversial with the TASER when they use it as a for Punishment rather than a tool of persuasion.KBCraig wrote:Taster International has sued bloggers and medical examiners who have attributed cause of death to a Taser.SlowDave wrote:Tasers: I don't think the med examiner's report is ever going to say: "Cause of death: taser."
But back to its purpose: Taser is an alternative to physical force, whether deadly or otherwise. More specifically, it's an alternative to beating someone with a club, or being even more directly hands-on. It lets officers apply the subject's own muscle strength against him, while minimizing the risk to the officer(s) or others, and stopping the force continuum before it escalates to deadly force because of the officer starting to lose the fight.
If someone really needs to be shot, the Taser is seldom used as an alternative.
In addition to the google search mentioned above, here is another good search:
http://www.theagitator.com/?s=taser" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Especially this, this, this, or this.
- Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:29 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"
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Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"
I don't have a dog in this fight nor any desire to debate this issue. But it is not an uncontested fact that Tasers don't kill. There are people a lot smarter than I that believe otherwise. Eventually the courts and Medical folks will decide this.Odin wrote:Liberty wrote:I guess it depends on who you choose to believe.Odin wrote:
A Taser has never been the cause of death of any person and should not be considered deadly force.
http://www.google.com/search?q=taser+de ... =firefox-a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The company that makes them still stubbornly claims they haven't killed anyone. Seems like lots of people believe otherwise. Baytown in particular has had a rash of people dying after getting tazed.
Lots of people die after watching movies with Chevy Chase in them also, but that doesn't make Chevy Chase lethal. Can you direct me to an incident where the medical examiner ruled that the cause of death was specifically the Taser? Not excited delirium, cardiac arrest, suffocation, etc...
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Plenty of police officers have been Tased and none of them has suffered any ill effects. It's a 5 second painful ride in which you are unable to control your muscle function, followed by an immediate recovery. It's much less likely to cause injury to officers or suspects than batons, hand to hand fighting, or OC spray. The Taser has undoubtedly saved many lives of both police and suspects.
- Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:19 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"
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Re: Robber in Baytown stopped by "citizens arrest"
I guess it depends on who you choose to believe.Odin wrote:
A Taser has never been the cause of death of any person and should not be considered deadly force.
http://www.google.com/search?q=taser+de ... =firefox-a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The company that makes them still stubbornly claims they haven't killed anyone. Seems like lots of people believe otherwise. Baytown in particular has had a rash of people dying after getting tazed.