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by Liberty
Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:50 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pistol ?
Replies: 69
Views: 12133

Mithras61 wrote:
Actually, I'm not making his point. The pistol was not the problem, my handling of it was. That didn't and doesn't make the pistol unreliable. The thing is, if I use those same techniques that cause problems in my 1911 in any other pistol, similar problems ensue. Saying I have to do my part by not limp-wristing it, and using my whole hand to shoot is not the same as saying a precise grip is required.
The point here is about reliability, and how we define it. Some handguns are more sensitive to limpwristing than others. I believe that in a combat situation especially if injured one might not hold and fire the gun in a ideal way. I do not believe that a gun that is fussy about ammo, usually needs to be sent to the gunsmith and can't be fired with an ijured hand can be concidered reliable. It may be reliable for a particular owner who has figured out its quirks and learned it.

I have read on this forum from several people who have bought brand new 1911's and then have fired hundreds of rounds trying to find the majic bullet that will feed reliably. hours spent polishing , and then usually sending them off to the smith to get them working like they want. Folks go buy a Glock feed them any old crap fror ammo they go bang and bang again. That doesn't mean that a 1911 can't be reliable and that it doesn't work best for some shooters.

The Topic here is the reliable gun .. the uber reliable. the guns that are burried into the mud and abused and are most likely to work time after time. The guns least likely to break. Its not about the best gun. or even the best carry gun. I am not a glock fan, nor an AK fan, but I have to respect the quality of reliability that is built into them.
by Liberty
Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:28 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pistol ?
Replies: 69
Views: 12133

daddySEAL wrote:Liberty,
I don't own any 1911s. And except for an HK have the others you mentioned.

Plus a standard size Baby Eagle, a Steyr M40-A1, a Sprinfield XD, a CZ75B, S&W M&P compact, among others.

How about those?
I'm no expert on reliability, but my jaded opinion is that those are all pretty reliable guns.
I think the CZ has been around long enough and owned by enough people, to be concidered pretty reliable, but it does seem to have a reputation of sometimes having problems ejecting certain ammo. I wouldn't classify it in the class as the Glocks as far as reliability. But others more knowledgable than I might. I only know what others have told me
by Liberty
Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:04 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pistol ?
Replies: 69
Views: 12133

Mithras61 wrote:
Stupid wrote:Speaking of reliability, avoid any 1911 style gun. Glock, HK, Sig and Beretta all make great firearms. Before I got into them, I thought jamming was of norm with auto-pistols - yeah, i had a Colt 1991A1.
I've been shooting 1911s for most of my life, and the times when I had problems with jamming, failing to eject or failing to go into battery turned out to be me not doing my part right (like not holding the grip firmly enough, limp wristing, etc.). The design is one of the most reliable around (especially with ball ammo), IMHO.
I think your making Stupids point for him though. If one has to rely on ball ammunition and precise grip then it cant be counted as an uber reliable. I don't think there are many folks that would concider ball ammunition a good general purpose defencive round.

I know many folks have found a particular 1911 and ammo combination reliable enough to trust their lives on, I don't think it can be concidered in the same class as a Glock 9, Rugger P series, or CZs as far as reliability goes. In fact I don't think any gun falls in the same class as Glock when it comes to it reputation for reliability. BTW: I don't particularly like like Glocks and don't own one.
by Liberty
Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:03 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pistol ?
Replies: 69
Views: 12133

daddySEAL wrote:Liberty,
I'm not saying that even Glock hasn't made a One in maybe 300,000 imperfect pistol with problems.

But there are so tested daily and jamming complaints are so hard to find, that it qualifies(after I test mine with many ammo bullet weight and powder grain combinations by different ammo makers to know....I will think the odds are that it is jam-proof.

So that's the answer I'm hoping from "extensive users"(Many, Many rounds of various types, makers, grain weights and loads) .

What other autoloader qualifies definitely......so I may be a concensus, please.

thanks
Anything that looks as ugly as a Glock has to be trustworthy.

I think the Ruger P series falls into that catagory. I've put 2000 rounds through it, and never a hiccup. My Beretta for me has been reliable but the older ones have a reputation for locking block problems after 10,000 rounds but this has supposedly been addressed. I trust my Beretta, but my Ruger even more so. Anything that looks as ugly as a Glock has to be trustworthy.
by Liberty
Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:51 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pistol ?
Replies: 69
Views: 12133

Re: What is the most jam-proof, most reliable semi-auto pist

jbirds1210 wrote:
daddySEAL wrote:I know Glocks have the reputation of being incredably reliable, No
Matter what type, make or grain of ammo you use.
I will agree that they are a candidate, but let me be the first to tell you that they fail just like everything else.

They are my choice no matter what the event, but I practice malfunction drills as a part of every session.
I bought my Ruger P95 because of its reputation with reliability. Its never failed on me ever. However, my niece can make it fail almost every other time she fires it, if she wants by limp wristing it.

Any gun can fail. Some just do it more often than others.

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