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by VMI77
Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:44 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you think CCW/CHL holders in US will be a Deterrent for Jihads?
Replies: 48
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Re: Do you think CCW/CHL holders in US will be a Deterrent for Jihads?

BCGlocker wrote:What can we do to prepare ourselves for the inevitable attacks?
Nothing except keeping our guard up as we should be doing anyway and staying away from places where they are likely to occur: places with large numbers of people concentrated in a relatively small location --like concerts and sporting events. But realistically, when they do occur any given one of us will be extremely unlikely to find themselves in the location that is under attack.

I'm not going to avoid going somewhere I want to go because of the very remote possibility of an attack. Even if there was one of these attacks every day the chances of any of us finding ourselves in the location under attack would be very very small --and there is no way there will be more than a few such attacks due to the logistics required to carry them out.

In my own case I don't live or work in a large urban area. I also have never liked crowds and actively avoid places where lots of people congregate...because I don't like crowds, not out of fear of being attacked. Any attacks that do occur are likely to occur in crowded venues in large urban areas so I expect to continue to do everything I normally do without ever even being near one.

Edited to add:

Well, according to this, you won't have to be in a crowded venue....they apparently drove all over Paris hitting targets of opportunity. Still, the odds of being at any location under attack are very small:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -ones.html
FIRST TWO ATTACKS: STADE DE FRANCE

- The attacks began at 8.17pm GMT at the Stade de France where the French football team was hosting Germany in an international friendly.

- The game was being watched by 80,000 spectators, among them was President Francois Hollande who had to be evacuated from the stadium.

- The first explosion, a suicide bombing, was at an entrance to the stadium. A guard said an explosives vest was found on one of the attackers as he was frisked trying to enter with a ticket. While trying to back away from security officers the militant detonated his vest. A second terrorist is believed to have blown himself minutes later. One person was killed in the explosions.

THIRD ATTACK: LE PETIT CAMBODGE AND LE CARILLON BAR

- At 8.25pm GMT a separate team of gunmen arrived in a Black Seat and attacked diners at popular Cambodian restaurant Le Petit Cambodge and Le Carillon bar in the trendy Canal Saint-Martin area of eastern Paris, killing 15.

FOURTH ATTACK: LA CASA NOSTRA PIZZERIA AND LA BELLE EQUIPE BAR

- The same unit then drove about 500 yards to La Casa Nostra pizzeria and opened fire on diners on the terrace of the restaurant, killing at least five people.

- From there, the militants drove around a mile south-east – apparently past the area of the Bataclan concert venue – to launch another attack, this time on La Belle Equipe bar in Rue de Charonne. At least 19 people died after the terrace was sprayed with bullets at 8.38pm GMT. The attackers then drove off.

FIFTH ATTACK: CAFÉ ‘COMPTOIR VOLTAIRE’


- Five minutes later, a separate attacker set off a suicide vest outside the outside cafe 'Comptoir Voltaire' on the Boulevard Voltaire and close to the Bataclan theatre.

SIXTH ATTACK: BATACLAN MUSIC HALL

- At 8.49pm GMT, the third group (believed to be three men and a woman) armed with AK-47s stormed the Bataclan music hall and began shooting members of the crowd. Survivors claim three blew themselves up and a fourth person was shot dead by police before they could detonate their bomb.

SEVENTH ATTACK: NEAR STADE DE FRANCE

At around 8.50pm GMT a third blast took place near the Stade de France, this time by a McDonald’s restaurant on the fringes of the stadium. The boom caused terror among spectators who had already been attempting to flee the stadium following the first two explosions.
by VMI77
Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:23 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you think CCW/CHL holders in US will be a Deterrent for Jihads?
Replies: 48
Views: 6005

Re: Do you think CCW/CHL holders in US will be a Deterrent for Jihads?

K.Mooneyham wrote:If the terrorists didn't care about an armed citizenry, you'd think they'd have gone at it harder here in the USA by now (not that they haven't done some damage). I think it's a combination of large, armed police forces and an armed citizenry that has limited their success. Oh, I understand they want to kill and many don't mind dying to do so. But, what good is just getting themselves killed, or only taking one or two people with you? No, they want the big scores like the attacks in Paris. And large armed police forces and a nation full of armed citizens may have muted things to some degree. Not to mention, a lot of people are already very angry about this stuff, it wouldn't take much to really fire a lot of them up. Unfortunately, I do believe that "gun free zones" are the most likely targets for terrorists, places like sporting events, amusement parks, and concert halls. It wouldn't take a lot of research to figure out the laws and where they would encounter the least resistance. Best to steer clear of places that increase your risk, IMHO.
There are plenty of places in the US where there is virtually no armed citizenry. Even in states like Texas the percentage of citizens armed in public is very small. All police are armed here unlike some countries in Europe, and on the whole the police here are probably better prepared to use their weapons than those in other countries, European countries in particular. In addition to our gun culture the military feeds a lot of people into police departments so our police are likely to be comparatively more aggressive.

I think we're seeing this in Europe first because the logistics of launching an attack there are simpler and on the whole Europe is a softer target (due to their policing methods, not their citizenry). It's easier and cheaper to get weapons and jihadis into Europe than into the US even with our open borders. That doesn't mean the effort isn't being made. I think logistics have been the greatest deterrence, not our police or citizenry. However, our open borders invite infiltration and attack so it is going to happen here sooner or later.
by VMI77
Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:12 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you think CCW/CHL holders in US will be a Deterrent for Jihads?
Replies: 48
Views: 6005

Re: Do you think CCW/CHL holders in US will be a Deterrent for Jihads?

TXlaw1 wrote:
VMI77 wrote: They will launch Paris style attacks here. They killed 127 there. They could get similar or higher body counts here attacking a college football game or even the football crowd at a large high school. All places where large numbers of people congregate are potential targets....especially if those numbers are concentrated like at concerts or sporting events.
Correct me if I am wrong here, but if it is a PROFESSIONAL sporting event aren't concealed handguns prohibited outright - no 30.06 posting needed?

Also, after January 1, 2016, would the penalty for carrying into a PROFESSIONAL sporting event be a Class C misdemeanor as it will be for ignoring a 30.06 sign?
If you shoot your way in security is largely irrelevant. I don't attend sporting events so I haven't paid much attention to how the law affects CC there.
by VMI77
Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:54 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you think CCW/CHL holders in US will be a Deterrent for Jihads?
Replies: 48
Views: 6005

Re: Do you think CCW/CHL holders in US will be a Deterrent for Jihads?

greenbeer wrote:I think your looking for a logical answer to an illogical problem. Your trying to look at this situation levelheaded and by the numbers. These people don't look at it that way at all. They have taken over large parts of countries with relative ease and low numbers. They strive for martyrdom. So a CHL holder wouldn't be a deterrent to this type of mindset. I see them using different tactics in an attack in the states. I.e. Using a plane as a weapon as opposed to the type of attacks we saw yesterday. That's not to say that they wouldn't try a style such as Paris in the states but I think they want more bang for the buck type attacks here.
They will launch Paris style attacks here. They killed 127 there. They could get similar or higher body counts here attacking a college football game or even the football crowd at a large high school. All places where large numbers of people congregate are potential targets....especially if those numbers are concentrated like at concerts or sporting events.
by VMI77
Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:27 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Do you think CCW/CHL holders in US will be a Deterrent for Jihads?
Replies: 48
Views: 6005

Re: Do you think CCW/CHL holders in US will be a Deterrent for Jihads?

Not a deterrent at all. And in most places where these attacks WILL occur CC is effectively prohibited. It's debatable how much concealed carriers may mitigate such an attack....they did in the African mall attack....but I expect our police response will be much more rapid and organized.

What's our treasonous rat of a President want to do after these attacks? Increase the number of potential terrorists entering the US. Obviously, with our deliberately open borders and treasonous political officials (can't stomach calling these rats "leaders") the traitors running the show want attacks like the one in Paris happening here.

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