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MechAg94 wrote:From what I have heard, the owner of Kel-tec's business model is to not go into debt for any reason or something like that. New guns are put into production and the production profit is used to fund expansion of the production for that gun. This is 180 degree away from S&W and Springfield who set up a whole bunch of production and introduce a new firearm with hundreds of thousands of copies in distribution. There is risk to the second approach that maybe Keltec doesn't want to take on. I have to wonder who Keltec doesn't license some of their designs. Ruger has copied their pistols before anyway.

I have one PF9. It functions fine when it fires. Have some issues with the firing pin not hitting. Just started working on getting Keltec to fix that.

However, I have 2 or 3 other Keltec products that work fine. They have some unique guns that are fun to shoot.

But hey, that debt model has worked great for Colt.

ShootDontTalk wrote:I am pretty sure I didn't name any names. I spoke of people who have spent years owning and using something versus those who have seen someone have a problem during a range visit or watched a YouTube video or rented one for a day at a range. You are free to draw your own conclusions about that. I don't make value judgements based on superficial experience. YMMV

Interesting that a complaint is made about shooting a gun "lots" of times to verify functionality before trusting your life to it. Perhaps I missed something. "Lots", at least the last time I looked it up, doesn't have a specific number attached to it. Use whatever number you're comfortable with. I'm fine with that. It's your life.

I'm not trying to be disagreeable, argumentative, or ruffle any feathers. The ultimate purpose of an EDC is to save your life. As long as it will do that, I'm happy. There is no prize for saving your life with the most, or least, expensive gun. Just saving your life. End of story.

Anyone who buys a semi-auto handgun for self-defense and doesn't put at least 200 rounds through it with no malfunctions, and with the ammo they plan to carry, is foolish. I've had more expensive "good" brand name guns malfunction when the cheaper variant did not. I doubt I own many guns that plenty of people don't say are junk or worthless. This is not only true of guns btw, for just about everything I've ever purchased on Amazon there are commenters calling it useless junk.

I'm not a fan of any brand...I'm a fan of what I like and what works. I guess I just joined the "criminal" class with my purchase of a KSG. It's made by Keltec so it must be "junk." This gun, like many other products I've purchased that were labeled junk works just fine for me.

For an EDC I like what fits my hand, meets my concealment needs, shoots well, and doesn't normally malfunction. Having experience with a lot of the guns discussed here I find the relatively expensive Sig P938 is the one for me when it comes to small semi-autos --though I've got cheaper guns that will still do the job just fine. Still, it gave me pause when I removed a mag one day and a round fell out of the grip apparently having dislodged when the mag was released. I had to run several full mags worth of my carry ammo through the gun again to convince myself this wasn't going to be a problem.