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cb1000rider wrote:

Jaguar wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... -Amendment

Nope, they don't want to ban guns.

I have zero objection to quotes like this - in context - with full meaning, which came from your reference:

I'm not talking about gun control. I'm not talking about waiting periods and background checks. I'm talking about flat-out banning the possession of handguns and assault rifles by individual citizens. I'm talking about repealing or amendment the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

This guy... He's a columnist, not a politician, who wrote that stuff in his editorial, which can be referenced: http://www.tallahassee.com/story/opinio ... /19426029/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is a guy who wants to ban all guns. It's an extreme view, but it's presented correctly, in the appropriate context. No objection to quoting this sort of madness quite correctly. Course, some people might recognize that it's a divisive opinion and might really be about making a name for himself or internet popularity - I'd have to research what else he's written.

I object to the out-of-context quotes that significantly broaden the meaning of statements and use them in a manner to influence the sheep who won't bother to fact check... I guess I object that half-truths are so effective.

There's a great example here: viewtopic.php?f=133&t=75111&start=90" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Of a pro-gun group (OCTC) doing even worse - they don't even bother to quote someone out of context, they just make up a fictional point of view... And some of us buy it... For reference, here's what they posted:
http://tinyurl.com/oyy28nb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry, I don't like that stuff. It just means that you can't trust *any* group with a political agenda. That includes our side.

Would still like to see some of those "extreme pro gun" quotes you were talking about.....not by a columnist, or a private individual, but by an elected representative or government official.

WildBill wrote:

VMI77 wrote:

WildBill wrote:Maybe we should arrest all people who run for public office. Some of them are very likely to commit crimes.

Oh, I don't think that's true at all.....I think most of them are.

I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.

To quote one of my favorite lines from the movie Ronin: "Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt. That's the first thing they teach you."

cb1000rider wrote:To be fair here, we could probably find some examples of some pretty extreme pro-gun views in the last 14 years or so.. Some of these quotes go back to 2001... Perhaps earlier.

How many of you take one sentence quotes, completely out of context, and form an opinion on them? Because that's what this article has quite successfully done... To me, this is nothing but a testament to how well misinformation spreads.. Because this thing has been passed around for over a decade, which a surprising lack of any amount of critical thinking attached....

As near as I can tell most of these were taken out of context and are meant to apply to "assault weapons" - back during that scare-fest. And I certainly don't defend the parties quoted as pro-gun advocates, but there is a HUGE difference (to me) in suggesting that it's time to ban all weapons (which is what we are lead to believe) and suggesting that we ban certain types of assault weapons during a period of public outcry and polit-pandering reaction. Note, I don't support "assault weapon" bans either, but that's not what we're lead to believe is being suggested here.

When people on our side spin and bend the truth, I think that's much more offensive than actually making statements like this - in context. I'm not a sheep. I don't want to choose a side based on misinformation and I'm quite intolerant of this sort of thing... I find is disgusting that both sides use it and I think it reflects on the intelligence of the American people very poorly.

In the first place it doesn't matter which guns they want to take (first) it's remains a fact that those quoted want to take our guns. They still want to confiscate guns even if they only come after "assault rifles." I've had an AR-15 since the early seventies so it's not like in 1994 they were after some new threat to society. Andy recently posted a 1994 letter from Handgun Control and there was no taking it out of context. It was very explicit and said they want to ban ALL guns, including air rifles and BB guns, and including antique firearms, and even civil war reenactments. These quotes you're claiming to be out of context, to the extent they are out of context, merely reflect the fact that the gun grabbers have become cagey enough to hide their true objectives from the masses. Furthermore, since "assault rifles" are not significantly involved with crime, it should be clear to you that they represent an establishment of precedent by harvesting the low hanging fruit. If they can get your AR-15 they can take your 30-30.

Secondly, please let history be your guide. All guns bans in Western countries have been incremental. The gun grabbers can see what works and they are following the same play book here.

Finally, I'd love for you to provide some quotes you consider "extreme pro-gun." I'd especially love to see such a quote by an elected representative or organization official, say the NRA, not some wacko representing himself with no political power or any ability to write or pass legislation.

WildBill wrote:Maybe we should arrest all people who run for public office. Some of them are very likely to commit crimes.

Oh, I don't think that's true at all.....I think most of them are.