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by VMI77
Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:30 pm
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Topic: Dallas Hospital Isolates Possible Ebola Case
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Re: Dallas Hospital Isolates Possible Ebola Case

The Annoyed Man wrote: But, I ALSO think that panic doesn't serve ANYBODY's interests, and that is what I was trying to get across.
Anybody's? By that I take it you mean the interests of the American people, as it clearly does serve the interests of the ruling oligarchs.
by VMI77
Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:20 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Dallas Hospital Isolates Possible Ebola Case
Replies: 112
Views: 16721

Re: Dallas Hospital Isolates Possible Ebola Case

Keith B wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
Keith B wrote:
gljjt wrote:
Keith B wrote:It is not easy to catch and you must have direct contact with the individual. The area this comes from has a very poor sanitation standards. Easily passed between people when they have no modern healthcare readily available. I am more worried about the storms coming Thursday and possibly getting struck by lightning.
Not quite accurate. Contact with body fluids is the method of transmission. The infected person doesn't have to be there, just the fluids.
Not something I am normally in contact with from those I don't know. No matter, you must have had some form of contact, it's not an airborn virus. You're not going to get it off of a toilet seat. ;-)
Not true, according to this medical paper:

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspect ... tion-ebola
We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.1
This reflects an incorrect and outmoded understanding of infectious aerosols, which has been institutionalized in policies, language, culture, and approaches to infection control. We will address this below. Briefly, however, the important points are that virus-laden bodily fluids may be aerosolized and inhaled while a person is in proximity to an infectious person and that a wide range of particle sizes can be inhaled and deposited throughout the respiratory tract.
The paper goes into much greater detail than just the two quotes above.
And this one disputes it, so who is correct? http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-me ... hrough-air" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I think I'd go with it's possible rather than take the chance that the guys saying it can be transmitted by air are wrong. I've seen too many cases in engineering where past models were considered good until they weren't, sometimes with tragedy resulting. IOW, I think ignorance is more likely than apparent certainty. In spite of the advances in medical science we're still mostly ignorant. How long did it take before the medical community accepted that stomach ulcers are caused by a virus? I wonder how many of those who say it can't would be willing to bet their lives on it?
by VMI77
Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:10 am
Forum: Off-Topic
Topic: Dallas Hospital Isolates Possible Ebola Case
Replies: 112
Views: 16721

Re: Dallas Hospital Isolates Possible Ebola Case

Keith B wrote:
gljjt wrote:
Keith B wrote:It is not easy to catch and you must have direct contact with the individual. The area this comes from has a very poor sanitation standards. Easily passed between people when they have no modern healthcare readily available. I am more worried about the storms coming Thursday and possibly getting struck by lightning.
Not quite accurate. Contact with body fluids is the method of transmission. The infected person doesn't have to be there, just the fluids.
Not something I am normally in contact with from those I don't know. No matter, you must have had some form of contact, it's not an airborn virus. You're not going to get it off of a toilet seat. ;-)
Not true, according to this medical paper:

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspect ... tion-ebola
We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.1
This reflects an incorrect and outmoded understanding of infectious aerosols, which has been institutionalized in policies, language, culture, and approaches to infection control. We will address this below. Briefly, however, the important points are that virus-laden bodily fluids may be aerosolized and inhaled while a person is in proximity to an infectious person and that a wide range of particle sizes can be inhaled and deposited throughout the respiratory tract.
The paper goes into much greater detail than just the two quotes above.

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