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by VMI77
Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:39 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: less partisan article about gun control
Replies: 22
Views: 1405

Re: less partisan article about gun control

cb1000rider wrote:
anygunanywhere wrote:No, both sides are not wrong.
The antis are wrong.
We are right. Beyond any doubt right. The only way to prove it would be for the antis to try it our way for once. That will never happen.
Pretty good article. Thanks for posting the linky.
Anygunanywhere
That's exactly how we get no where... You can't even have a discussion that starts with "we're right and you're wrong".
Some good points in the article.

Look, demographics are shifting. The media puts laser-beam focus on incidents of gun violence and has contributed to a situation where any mentally ill person knows how to get the attention that they want. That media influence can sway the broad more neutrally-minded majority. Old hard-core conservatives are dying off with the demographics and social changes. And we've got significant division between 2nd amendment groups.

Digging in is not a good long game option.
Negotiation and compromise require both sides to argue in good faith and to make mutual concessions. When have the antis ever done either, much less both?
by VMI77
Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:15 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: less partisan article about gun control
Replies: 22
Views: 1405

Re: less partisan article about gun control

J.R.@A&M wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
J.R.@A&M wrote:
MeMelYup wrote:I have not heard any of the anti's calling for gun safety classes in the schools. I wonder why? That would be the best way to promote safety and reduce accidents. Education is the answer. Why don't the anti's push for gun safety classes in the schools?
Because while band saws and acetylene torches are also potentially dangerous, they are morally neutral tools, whose safe use can thus be taught in shop class :(]
I disagree. You're approaching the question from the standpoint of logic and reason....the antis only approach the question from emotion. The reason they won't teach gun safety in school that it would normalize the use and possession of guns. Their plan to eliminate guns requires demonization and stigmatization.
Then I failed... because I was attempting to approach that last question from the standpoint of satire and humor.
Well, sometimes I miss satire when it's expressed in writing with no other context. I'd have probably caught on if I'd heard you say it.
by VMI77
Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:29 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: less partisan article about gun control
Replies: 22
Views: 1405

Re: less partisan article about gun control

cb1000rider wrote:You're gonna be waiting a while.
To be fair shouldn't we restrict the political term branding on both sides of the isle?
There has to be an entire subset of marketers that come up with these spin terms... I'll bet they do pretty well.
We can't shift the branding because the left controls the media and the public school system, and they're not about to change branding that advances their agenda.
by VMI77
Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:27 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: less partisan article about gun control
Replies: 22
Views: 1405

Re: less partisan article about gun control

J.R.@A&M wrote:
MeMelYup wrote:I have not heard any of the anti's calling for gun safety classes in the schools. I wonder why? That would be the best way to promote safety and reduce accidents. Education is the answer. Why don't the anti's push for gun safety classes in the schools?
Because while band saws and acetylene torches are also potentially dangerous, they are morally neutral tools, whose safe use can thus be taught in shop class :(]
I disagree. You're approaching the question from the standpoint of logic and reason....the antis only approach the question from emotion. The reason they won't teach gun safety in school that it would normalize the use and possession of guns. Their plan to eliminate guns requires demonization and stigmatization.

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