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by VMI77
Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:15 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Dallas LEO shooting video raises question's
Replies: 84
Views: 18310

Re: Dallas LEO shooting video raises question's

texanjoker wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
cb1000rider wrote:
A police affidavit says Bennett “took several steps toward them with the knife raised in an aggressive manner.” Surveillance footage shows otherwise –– Bennett never raises his arms or takes a step toward the approaching officers.
I don't know why, if you screwed up as a LEO, that you'd ever admit it. The only down side would be a non-firing offense that you get caught lying about.
Because honorable people do the right thing, not the expedient? Because lying on an official report is against the law and you're a law enforcement officer? Because lying demonstrates your lack of character and shouts out that you can't be trusted? Because lying alienates the public and reduces public support making the job harder for you and everyone else in law enforcement? Because lying is toxic and undermines the basis of every meaningful relationship you'll ever have in life? Because an attitude like you've expressed --that lying has no significant consequences-- breeds habitual lying and pollutes an institution that must function on trust?
:iagree: that when a LEO lies to cover their bacon they should be toast.
And so should politicians and other government employees who aren't LEO's.
by VMI77
Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:06 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Dallas LEO shooting video raises question's
Replies: 84
Views: 18310

Re: Dallas LEO shooting video raises question's

cb1000rider wrote:
A police affidavit says Bennett “took several steps toward them with the knife raised in an aggressive manner.” Surveillance footage shows otherwise –– Bennett never raises his arms or takes a step toward the approaching officers.
I don't know why, if you screwed up as a LEO, that you'd ever admit it. The only down side would be a non-firing offense that you get caught lying about.
Because honorable people do the right thing, not the expedient? Because lying on an official report is against the law and you're a law enforcement officer? Because lying demonstrates your lack of character and shouts out that you can't be trusted? Because lying alienates the public and reduces public support making the job harder for you and everyone else in law enforcement? Because lying is toxic and undermines the basis of every meaningful relationship you'll ever have in life? Because an attitude like you've expressed --that lying has no significant consequences-- breeds habitual lying and pollutes an institution that must function on trust?
by VMI77
Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:26 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Dallas LEO shooting video raises question's
Replies: 84
Views: 18310

Re: Dallas LEO shooting video raises question's

E.Marquez wrote:
VMI77 wrote: They LIED in their report, the guy they shot did not advance towards them
Outstanding .. I was not aware the report had been released for us to read..

Can you post a link to it?

Thanks
I freely admit to basing my opinion on the information that is now in the public domain, and I freely admit it may be incorrect --but it's all I can go by for now. If information develops that indicates something different happened then I will change my opinion as appropriate. If they didn't lie in their report, then they're apparently only guilty of murder. However, I admit to being a little doubtful that their report is going to read they shot the guy as he stood nearly motionless in the street.....as the video shows he did. If so, good for them. If both their reports say that the guy took steps toward them then the cop who didn't shoot is an accessory after the fact. If one told the truth and the other didn't, good for the one who told the truth.
by VMI77
Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:17 am
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Dallas LEO shooting video raises question's
Replies: 84
Views: 18310

Re: Dallas LEO shooting video raises question's

MechAg94 wrote:A couple questions:

1. Were these officers no equipped with any less than lethal devices? The guy looks like he would not stand well getting hit by a taser or a 12 gauge bean bag.
2. Why little or no time delay between standing and getting shot? Why no apparent effort to talk him down, etc? He didn't appear to me to be an immediate threat to the officer's lives.
Tasers are only for pain compliance.
by VMI77
Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:46 pm
Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
Topic: Dallas LEO shooting video raises question's
Replies: 84
Views: 18310

Re: Dallas LEO shooting video raises question's

texanjoker wrote:
E.Marquez wrote:ugg so many questions so little info.

Hard to see the threat from the officers side....but was not there.
For sure it's going to be a hard sell on there part to explain and articulate the perceived threat.

Wild guess will go anything from raciest murder to ND leading to follow on fire...

time and investigation will find the truth.

:iagree:

To add the video doesn't show if the suspect had the weapon was in his hand when he stood up; what he said when he stood up, his demeanor, if he was off his medication, what the officer believed he was doing, ect.

Like all OIS they will do an investigation which will take time. The grand jury will then decide if they had a right to defend themselves. Regardless if the grand jury clears them the PD also has an internal investigation as to whether they followed policy.

The mom was referring to mental health officers. However all leo's are trained to deal with mental health subjects and when there is a 911 call the closest go with a mental health officer responding if needed.
Yada yada yada. They LIED in their report, the guy they shot did not advance towards them, and if we had an honest system they'd be fired just for their perjury, and charged with a crime. If anyone not a cop did what the cop that shot this guy did, got caught on video lying about our supposed justification, we'd be in jail right now. And we'd be convicted of murder and sentenced to prison.

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