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cb1000rider wrote: All the "Japs" wanted to kill us too, remember? Maybe we should have eradicated those civilians?

cb1000rider wrote:

VMI77 wrote: Sp, I take it you'd be OK with living in a majority Muslim country?

With a family, probably not... But it's more of a cultural thing than worrying about violence from members of a main stream religion. Besides, I like dogs and they're a bit of a no-no in that culture.

Religions don't kill people. Stereotyping an entire religion, especially one that has almost 1.5 billion members as "the enemy" as the smacks of bigotry. A religion that speaks toward killing everyone else kinda runs counter to the whole concept of morality, don't you think? I do agree that you can find excepts that call for violence in almost any religious text (including Christian) - but those things need to be taken in an entire context.

There are very violent Muslims out there. There are also violent Christians too.... And violent atheists. I wonder if I could find a violent Buddist?! Don't blame everyone for the actions of a few.

Why bring this up? Because the rant above - I find a lot that I can agree with. But when I start reading about how the Muslim world is out to kill all of us and we need to act fast, you've lost me...

cb1000rider wrote:

Strat9mm wrote:In case anybody hasn't noticed, the people in Afghanistan, Iraq and the rest of the Muslim world for that matter, have NOT relented of their hatred of the West. They kill and rape us anytime they have a chance, when they're not too busy killing each other in the name of their 'peaceful religion'.

Stratman,
Do you actually know any Muslims? I do. None of them have tried to kill me yet. Please remove the ones that I know from your "rest of the Muslim world" list.

We locked up the Japanese Americans during WWII. All the "Japs" wanted to kill us too, remember? Maybe we should have eradicated those civilians?

And if you want to make a case for a civilized and peaceful religion, make sure you review Christianity in the full historical context.

BTW, I agree with a lot of what you're saying otherwise - but when you indicate that almost 1.5 billion people are all out to kill us, I tend to ignore the rest of the context....

cb1000rider wrote:Show the original document. Is the NSA really calling all American citizens adversaries or are they referring to gathering actionable intelligence from people who are acting against the USA who are referred to as adversaries?

Hint, it'll be in the context of the actual NSA document which seems to be absent for reference. Until then, don't believe the media spin..

To me, it's no different than the TSA or arresting people for carrying long guns publicly in Texas. That is, it's an attempt to determine our willingness to balance our constitutional rights against our government's interest in promoting safety and security.

I have no doubt that giving the government the ability to decrypt all secure communications will result in actionable intelligence. I also believe it's a measure of unreasonable search without cause.

Know what will change it for me? A documented case of the government using secret (unauthorized) intelligence against it's own people in order to prosecute something like tax evasion...

Among other things, the program is designed to "insert vulnerabilities into commercial encryption systems". These would be known to the NSA, but to no one else, including ordinary customers, who are tellingly referred to in the document as "adversaries".

It is used by the NSA to "to leverage sensitive, co-operative relationships with specific industry partners" to insert vulnerabilities into security products. Operatives were warned that this information must be kept top secret "at a minimum".

A more general NSA classification guide reveals more detail on the agency's deep partnerships with industry, and its ability to modify products. It cautions analysts that two facts must remain top secret: that NSA makes modifications to commercial encryption software and devices "to make them exploitable", and that NSA "obtains cryptographic details of commercial cryptographic information security systems through industry relationships".