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by VMI77
Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:53 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Syria - hype or war?
Replies: 128
Views: 19617

Re: Syria - hype or war?

philip964 wrote:A Fox news commentator made an error on their broadcast this morning. He said Assad was the only person to kill people with nerve gas since Hitler.

I found no method to contact Fox news so they could set the record straight.

Terrible that they would allow such a factual error to be made on their network. Maybe its part of being balanced, they have to promote lies with the truth.

Saddam Hussein (remember him) used nerve gas repeatedly in Iraq against his own people the Kurds and in the Iraq/Iran war. He piled up a much higher body count than 1400. I believe Assad or the rebels got all of his nerve gas from Saddam just before we invaded.

Oh and yeah and our current president was against taking any action against him.
AND he did it with our full knowledge, and even some intel support. It was ok then, because we wanted him to defeat Iran. It only became bad later on when we were looking for pretexts to attack iraq.
by VMI77
Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:49 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Syria - hype or war?
Replies: 128
Views: 19617

Re: Syria - hype or war?

Superman wrote:
SlickTX wrote:Haven't you heard, it's not going to be a war . . . just a quick bombardment from the air and no boots on the ground. You know, like Pearl Harbor.
Yes, meme's are fun aren't they, I've seen that on facebook too. Too bad it's an inaccurate simile. Pearl Harbor was an unprovoked attack. It was done as a pre-emptive strike in order to pull us into the war. It was no doubt an act of war. The kind of strike that is being considered by us now is a punitive strike. It is in response to an internationally recognized illegal action. They are not the same.
So, if China, with international approval, struck the US in the same way, as a punitive action, it wouldn't be an act of war against the US? Baloney. We have no special international rights to punish other countries. Furthermore, the Japanese attacked after a long oil embargo, and to push us and the British out of Asia, so the US was not some innocent bystander. Roosevelt had been using the US Navy in support of Britain before the Japanese attack and before we declared war on Germany. While I think WW2 was a war we needed to fight, the fact is there was virtually no public support for the US to enter another war in Europe until after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor...which FDR deliberately left vulnerable to attack for that very reason. Back in those days, the Republican party still contained a few men with integrity who stood up in the Senate and said so.
by VMI77
Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:39 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Syria - hype or war?
Replies: 128
Views: 19617

Re: Syria - hype or war?

ghostrider wrote:Its got to be more than just oil.

:-)
The largest foreign supplier of oil to America is Canada:

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=8950" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is something more, it's controlling the ability of China and India to get oil from the ME. it's about hegemony.
by VMI77
Thu Sep 05, 2013 9:35 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Syria - hype or war?
Replies: 128
Views: 19617

Re: Syria - hype or war?

Purplehood wrote:
Superman wrote:I may be the lone dissenter here, but but I'm in the camp that we have to do something. I completely disagree with Obama on pretty much every single thing he has ever done, but I think he is heading in the right direction this time (although I think he will "limp wrist" it and not go far enough and probably make things worse).

I think we should use aggressive military action to severely punish the Assad regime for using chemical weapons, but I think we should not "put boots on the ground." We should also not have the intention of regime change as I think Al Qaeda and/or other Jihadists would seize power. I agree with this open letter's approach "to deter or destroy the Assad regime’s airpower and other conventional military means of committing atrocities against civilian non-combatants."

I think we should be very cautious about arming rebels. If we can find rebels who will fight Assad AND the Al Qaeda jihadists, then I'm for helping them...but I fear our arms falling into the hands of the radicals.

I absolutely think it is in the U.S. national interest to punish any group (government or not) that uses weapons of mass destruction to purposely kill innocent civilians...and to send a very strong warning to everyone considering using WMD in the future. If we do nothing, we are sending the message to everyone that it's open season and we should expect radicals to use WMD more often, against more targets and to kill more people.

There are also rumors that it was actually the rebels who used the chemical weapons to drag us into fighting their fight. I think we need to make absolutely sure that we are punishing the guilty party. Reference here.

This is one of those fights that we "have to fight." I'm not talking about the civil war, but the use of chemical weapons. With all that said, I am very concerned about this administration's ability to craft or execute such a policy.
I completely disagree.

There is not a single objective that is listed above that can be quantifiably defined and given to our Armed Forces as Mission Objectives.
Once again, we put our lives, our money and hardware, and our credibility on the line for a poorly-defined reward and even more international animosity.
We need to stay out of Syria. If the Syrians (I don't care which side) decide to go across any borders, then and only then we hammer them.
That OK...as Senator Cruz said, we can be Al Qaeda's air force.
by VMI77
Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:22 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Syria - hype or war?
Replies: 128
Views: 19617

Re: Syria - hype or war?

baldeagle wrote:So we go into Syria and we bomb their military installations. What does that accomplish? Nothing. It's time for America to tell Congress and the President to bring our boys home. No more foreign conflicts unless our interests are directly affected, as they were in Benghazi (where we didn't go in!) It's time for America's foreign policy to support democratic governments and shun undemocratic ones. Get your act together and treat your citizens with respect and lawful behavior, and we will consider giving you aid for worthy causes. Other than that, pay your own bills.

I don't see how it wouldn't be Treason. Al Qaeda is the officially professed enemy of the US. The rebels include Al Qaeda in alliance against the Syrian government. Attacking their enemy, the Syrian government, is therefore giving material support to our enemy.

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