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by VMI77
Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:23 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013
Replies: 73
Views: 12996

Re: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013

Redneck_Buddha wrote:
TxLobo wrote:
Beiruty » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:57 pm
Why DHS needs 1.621 billion pistol rounds, how many pistol DHS has on hand, how many 5.56 rds did they purchase?
Item No . Description Qty Unit
001 Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) Pistol Cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point(Jhp) p/n P40HSTS3G OR EQUAL. BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000
002 Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) 9MM 115 GRAIN JACKETED HOLLOW POINT P/N 9BP-115 GRAIN JHP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL
003 Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) PISTOL CARTIDGE 9MM BALL 124 GRAIN P/N AE9AP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 40,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE

just .40 and 9mm this time.. :evil2:
They train with JHP?

Supposedly there is a requirement for them to train with the same ammo they use in the field. I have to wonder if these purchases aren't partly to keep demand pressure up and keep ammo expensive and unavailable to civilians.
by VMI77
Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:46 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013
Replies: 73
Views: 12996

Re: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013

C-dub wrote:
AndyC wrote:[ Image ]

(Sorry, but I couldn't resist that)
Andy, you find some of the coolest smilies.

BTW, I saw something this morning I didn't even know existed. I checked two WalMarts on the way to work this morning and saw some .22LR shot shells. They were #12 shot with 165 pellets I think. How small do those pellets have to be to get 165 of them in that little thing? I have a 5-stand match this weekend and thought it might be fun to try, but wondered if those little things would even break a clay or just bounce off. I didn't buy any.
I've shot a bunch of them. They won't cycle a semi-auto, and in fact, I had one go off out of battery, so they're pretty much limited to use in revolvers, bolt-action, and single-shot rifles. They don't have much power. They work pretty well on Copperheads, but they won't break a glass bottle or penetrate a can even at point blank range (maybe I coke can, haven't tried that, but not a soup can).
by VMI77
Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:06 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013
Replies: 73
Views: 12996

Re: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013

chasfm11 wrote:
VMI77 wrote: I'm not saying the situation isn't going to return to normal, maybe it will; but I'm not sure it will this time. We don't have enough information yet to understand what's happening. For instance, I don't remember 22 LR being almost completely unavailable last time around. People have speculated various reasons for it, but I've seen no evidence to substantiate any of the speculation. Also, it appears the left is deliberately attempting to further inflame gun owners rather than give us any reason to calm down. The attack on gun owners has been unrelenting since Sandy Hook and completely without balance in the MSM. It sure looks like the left is going for broke, and while they may ultimately fail, it may take quite awhile to return to any kind of acceptable status quo --and even then we all know the attack will begin again at the very next opportunity. We could easily be looking at four years of shortages this time.
I think that we'll know the cause shortly, within the next three months. I don't mean to seem callous but the public attention span is pretty short so if it is just panic buying by those not really "into" guns, it will be over or will slow down significantly. Assuming the supply chain is working as before, some equilibrium should be reached.

I haven't understood the sporadic shortages in some calibers for the past three years and, fearing the worst, assumed the government was somehow tinkering behind the scenes. At one point, I heard that the Feds were not allowing military brass to be recycled, drying up materials. I would have hoped that one of the ammo makers would have figured some way to disclose that information if it was true. At any rate, if the store shelves are still empty by April, there is no doubt in my mind that the Regime has implemented gun control via ammo control.
I too can't help but wonder what nefarious actions the Feds are taking behind the scenes (and given where many of these manufacturers are located, in league with state governments). As far as disclosing information about the Feds controlling supplies goes --I'd guess that if the Feds have the power to make a manufacturer limit supply that they also have to power to keep them quiet. One possibility might be the carrot and stick approach of threatening delicensing, other regulatory harassment, and banning sales to government while promising to pay higher future prices, buying additional quantities, and favorable regulatory treatment. Or, the government could be buying up supplies and using accounting tricks to keep the purchases off the books until later in the year.

At the risk of floating a "conspiracy" theory, it also occurs to me that if the Obama administration does have confiscation in mind one of the things they might do is to choke off ammo supplies in advance of taking any action. All those newbies buying ARs will find it hard to get ammo for practice or self-defense, and anyone that wasn't stocked up will be in the same boat. If I bought my first 22 right now I'd have a very hard time finding any ammo for it. That doesn't seem to fit in with the "embargo" scenario though, unless the notion is to make AR conversion kits useless as well, and those don't seem like that big of threat (from their standpoint) to me.

One thing is for sure, if something nefarious is going on it won't be much longer before we find out. I just hope that a lot of what we're hearing, such as the Obama litmus test, is false, because claims like that dovetail all too well with the very ugliest of possible scenarios.
by VMI77
Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:34 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013
Replies: 73
Views: 12996

Re: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013

TexasCajun wrote:viewtopic.php?f=23&t=60720&p=761570#p761570

Looks like Academy is changing policy. 1 box/caliber/customer/day & now the ammo is at the customer service desk. I think that the 'shortage' is self-inflicted. Shelves were full just prior to Sandy Hook. Then the POTUS & VP start talking about gun bans & other nonsense so we now have a run on AR's, semi-auto pistols, & a wide variety of ammo. I've heard/read about guys setting up at Academy on Mon/Wed/Fri & scooping up all of the ammo that they can directly off of the pallets. I've also heard about folks stalking the ammo shelf at Wal-Mart & doing the same thing. My buddy went to the Pasadena gunshow a couple of weeks ago & he said that all of the usual vendors were there. The only difference is that now the $800 AR is now $2500. He also said that they had plenty of ammo in all calibers & most of it was priced at about the same level as mid-last year.

My approach has been & probably will continue to be to stop by Academy & LGSs when it's convenient, buy a box or two when I can find it, hold off on shooting pistols for a while, spend more time with the shotguns on the 5-stand & sporting clays fields. Then I'll go back to business as usual when we all calm down.
Just because the situation returned more or less to normal before doesn't mean it will again, or if it does, as quickly. The situation now is entirely different. Before, there was a generalized fear of an Obama presidency without any specific threats to gun ownership. Now all the fears have been validated and there is a full court press against gun owners featuring propaganda, stigmatization, and threats of bans and confiscation. Any number of actions that put additional pressure on demand could come about....such as a tax on ammunition or requirements that raise costs such as micro stamping or imposing background checks. Things like micro stamping increase demand pressure in two ways: 1) increasing manufacturing cost, and 2) increasing demand on pre-micro stamped ammo.

I'm not saying the situation isn't going to return to normal, maybe it will; but I'm not sure it will this time. We don't have enough information yet to understand what's happening. For instance, I don't remember 22 LR being almost completely unavailable last time around. People have speculated various reasons for it, but I've seen no evidence to substantiate any of the speculation. Also, it appears the left is deliberately attempting to further inflame gun owners rather than give us any reason to calm down. The attack on gun owners has been unrelenting since Sandy Hook and completely without balance in the MSM. It sure looks like the left is going for broke, and while they may ultimately fail, it may take quite awhile to return to any kind of acceptable status quo --and even then we all know the attack will begin again at the very next opportunity. We could easily be looking at four years of shortages this time.
by VMI77
Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:20 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013
Replies: 73
Views: 12996

Re: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013

punkndisorderly wrote:I can understand the demand side of the equation. That side of it is easily seen in board posts and at gun stores.

For the supply side, I haven't seen any real analysis of it or comment from companies beyond "we're making as much as we can".

Lead, copper, and brass are just commodities. I would't think ammunition manufacture would be a large enough percentage of all the lead, copper, and brass to strain the supply. You have powder and primers, but again, that wouldn't explain why global suppliers haven't stepped in.

And the supply, while sometimes not scarce, hasn't seemed normal since before the 2008 elections.

Risk, probably has something to do with it, but given the shelf life of the product, and the military use of 5.56, 7.62, and 9mm (the calibers in shortest supply) it would sell eventually, even after the "bubble" bursts.
Yeah, and even the UK let's people have 22 LR....that seems to be the hardest to find. Last week I found 5.56 at Cabelas, but they didn't have 22 LR.
by VMI77
Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:07 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013
Replies: 73
Views: 12996

Re: The (Not So) Great Ammo Shortage of 2013

Andrew wrote:
chasfm11 wrote:I'm pretty frustrated by the lack of .22ammo, too. I figured that the larger calibers might go and have the stock that I want. But .22? Please!

I've got arrangements with two different Wal-Marts to find out what they are getting each day. Their corp. office is not allowing the stores to order any ammo so they get whatever is on the truck

I don't know if you can believe that but the Wal-Mart employees claim that they will not be getting .223 again. The is a government "hold" on the sale of all of that. If true, it is exactly what I expected. They cannot ban and confiscate so they will just dry up the ammo. :banghead:
My vendor of choice for 5.56 or .223 is Old Virginia, they have run out twice since Sandy Hook, but have always had stock again in a few days. http://www.oldvirginia.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; . If the Feds were confiscating ammo, surely they'd suck up supply fron one of their contractors for 5.56, Black Hills.

I highly doubt there is any ammo confiscation. However, what might be happening is that the Feds have threatened some large distributors or manufacturers.....for instance, telling manufacturers they won't get any more government contracts if they don't "voluntarily" withhold supplies. Or telling Walmart that they will start having all kinds of problems with the EPA, BATF, etc, if they don't "voluntarily" withhold supplies.

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