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baldeagle wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:If you think abortion is wrong, the only type of birth control acceptable would be abstinence.

That makes absolutely no sense.

It makes partial sense. He's talking about drugs like the pill because they detach a fertilized egg from the uterus, or prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. Things like diaphragms and condoms would still be OK, if you're not Catholic, because they prevent fertilization.

mamabearCali wrote:

C-dub wrote: No, but it is not a federal issue. As far as I know there are no federal laws for or against abortion or that even regulate abortions. Those are state issues and laws and when someone takes the new evidence all the way to the SCOTUS and they may reverse or limit the previous ruling if they agree to see the case.

Let me refer you to the HHS mandate which requires businesses even those run by staunch Christians to pay for abortifacients. So there are federal laws mandating that employers play for employees abortifacient drugs.

Roe V wade is a federal case that permitted abortion nationwide when before it was decided state by state. So at the moment it is a federal issue. It would seem to me to be a step forward to return the decision to the people.

It's in the courts right now....Hobby Lobby versus the Obama Marxists.

chasfm11 wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:

recaffeination wrote:

mamabearCali wrote:You vote for whomsoever you want to, however I have to stand before a holy God someday. I cannot and will not stand before him and say "sorry I thought the deficit was more important than the lives of children".

I'm intrigued by this comment. There are children dying, particularly in third world countries, because they don't have clean water, enough food, vaccinations and other medical care. Is cable television or Internet access more important than their lives? A nice house and car? Toys for you kids instead of life for others?

I personally hold myself responsible only for my own actions. I don't feel responsible for bad parents who have children without being able to support and care for their children. I also don't feel responsible if someone chooses to have an abortion. So my views are consistent but I puzzle over how others draw the line about which innocent lives are worth more than money/possessions and which ones aren't.

This goes to the you can't save every kitten in the world. I do what I can with what I have. Our family does what it can for the poor around the world (various charities we partner with). I cannot be responsible for the insanity and corruption of other nations (what causes most human suffering). However in this country the citizens do have a say in what is permitted, I will not vote for a person who does not value human life.

You have just made the case for world government. The Progressives have taken over the US on exactly that argument - taking care of the poor. Let's review how good of a job they have done in the ensuing 100 years, especially in places like Detroit. No matter. The argument is that you and I will not try to do enough to help all of those starving poor so they must muster the power of government to fill the gap that our "disinterest" creates.

By the way, you have given up all say in what your government does because your side lost the election. Complete capitulation is required. If they had chariots, they would tie us all together and drag us through the streets of Washington to demonstrate their triumph, in true Roman fashion.

That's the least of what they'd do if they thought they could get away with it. If you read the comments by the Obama crowd on various blogs and after certain news articles, many of them are not just smug about the election, but talk about fundamental changes and the elimination of people who voted for Romney, who, obviously, are all racists --especially anyone espousing the values of the Tea Party. We're all self-serving bigots who have no place in their new "tolerant" and "virtuous" society.

mamabearCali wrote:

talltex wrote:

Oldgringo wrote: Here we go again....

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Abortions are not for everyone. You have a choice...yes or no. It's not my place to judge.

'nuff said...

No, it is not "Nuff said". There is a sense in several of these posts that social issues like abortion need to fall by the wayside and we should focus solely on the fiscal issues. If the GOP does that they are throwing out a huge section of their base and for what? To be democrat-lite? Like I said before, do those who are proposing this think that there are enough people who are fiscally conservative (but so socially liberal that they set that aside to vote for Obama) that it would make up for all of us who are conservative on social issues? Do you think there are enough votes that the GOP can afford to completely alienate the base of the party (because I can assure you that I do vote on social issues too!)?


Edited to add.....all it takes for evil to win is for good people to stand silent.

The GOP already is democrat-lite, and already has abandoned it's base. Do you really think Romney was the best of all Republican candidates to run for President against The One? The party organization torpedoed every candidate that wasn't democrat-lite, even breaking the law in some cases. Though I'm not inclined to think so myself, someone could probably make a pretty convincing case that choosing Romney was a deliberate act to lose the election. After all, Romney was a man that was able to be elected in one of the most socialist left-wing states in the country, so just how much of a representative could he be for the base you're speaking of? How many of the base were voting FOR Romney as opposed to AGAINST Obama?

And I would say that it's not so much that good people are standing silent, but that good people have been silenced and banished from elective government, especially at the Federal level. Where do you see the media giving a voice to good people? Anyone on the national stage who expresses values like most of us here espouse is under media blackout. The voices of good people, for the most part, are only heard over the internet --and I'd expect TPTB to do something about that in the not too distant future because it is right now about the only obstacle to imposing their will on all of us.