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PostShooter wrote:

Skiprr wrote:

tool4daman wrote:Since WWII--a relatively short period, historically speaking--we've seen societies previously imbued in firearm culture turn into capitulating, defenseless drones. Think Canada, Australia, England.

I'm going to go even further back and say that this phenomenon has been prevalent since WWI. I honestly believe that, as a result of the deaths of an entire generation at the hands of firearms, the British Commonwealth stepped back from guns as a mainstay of their freedoms, because of the carnage of battles like The Somme and Ypres. Thus breed the likes of Neville Chamberlain, pacifists who refuse to take up arms regardless of the consequences. Remember, the greater majority of Britons felt the same way he did at the moment (Peace in our time, etc.). It took someone like Winston Churchill to get the country to reluctantly once again take up arms and save their nation and culture. Once the war was over, the British basically gave up on weapons and self-defense, gave up its empire and promptly forgot what one of the underlying foundations of its freedoms sprang from - the ability to say "We're armed and we won't take sh*t from you. We are masters of our own fate. We will never submit to you."

Israel may trace the loss of its self-defense mentality to the recent accords with neighboring Arab states. The final nail would be its war with Lebanon a few years ago. The world had come to the conclusion, for good or ill, that even a few deaths in the defense of one's country is a few too many. When When the Israelis heard a couple of dozen of its countrymen had been killed in it's conflict, they almost rebelled, calling for an end to the conflict because of the relatively "high price" in casualties. Israel has learned to compromise its core values - for security. Values for which they had willingly upheld and fought for to gain independence and a continued sovereignty many decades ago.

So may, one day, go the USA. Once our nation finds that a "few casualties" is too high a price to pay for our freedoms, we will slowly decline, fearing to defend ourselves from those who would seek to harm us, because of the cost. The US should never fear to sacrifice or shed blood in order to protect our nation. If we do, we will follow the once-great British Empire into the abyss.

Sorry to go on for so long on this issue. I know it started as something as simple as a change in Israeli self-defense motivation. But it serves as a stark reminder of what will happen if we for one moment, one second, relax our vigilance.

Charles L. Cotton wrote:Israeli gun laws have taken a dramatic turn for the worst in the last several years. I recently read an article about Israel tightening the eligibility requirements for obtaining a permit. It specifically mentioned that diamond brokers (or perhaps it was jewelers) once were automatically entitled to a permit, but no longer. The article mentioned a concerted effort by the Israeli government to reduce the number of people who could own/carry weapons. I was stunned to say the least.

In the mid 1970's, I wanted to visit Israel, but my wife was afraid to go because of terrorist attacks and we had two small kids. I talked to the Israeli consul about Americans carrying handguns and the response was "sure you can, you're an American!" I made the same call around 1995 or so and you would have thought I was asking to bring a nuke into the country. I was asked why I wanted a gun and when I said for the same reason every Israeli carries a gun, she responded "not anymore they don't."

Don't take my comments as being the list bit anti-Israel. I love that country and I'd expend every round of ammo and every nuke the U.S. has to defend Israel. But I'm dismayed to see such a dramatic and detrimental turn on the gun control issue.

Chas.

Here in Israel, where weapons permits are issued to those that need them, and are limited to a single weapon per person, there is no such thing as concealed carry.

Or open carry.

Weapons permits for private citizens are granted as Carry Permits.

So you can chose based on fashion, comfort, tactics, or personal preference how you want to carry your weapon. As long as you have your valid Carry Permit and ID on your person, you can legally carry just about anywhere in the country.

I've carried my pistol openly in government offices, military installations, malls, supermarkets, sports arenas, and synagogues. I've even been to political functions and open carried with our current Prime Minister in the room.

Armed civilians kill terrorist in Jerusalem

An Arab Terrorist armed with a Kalashnikov Rifle and a bomb vest infiltrated the Merkaz HaRav Yeshiva library tonight at 20:40, and opened automatic fire in all directions at the scores of rabbinical students there. After several minutes, 40-year-old Rabbi Yitzchak Dadon, shot the attacker in the head with his personal weapon. David Shapira, a graduate, heard the shots from his nearby home, ran to the yeshiva and "finished [the terrorist] off."

The Terrorist was resident of the south Jerusalem suburb and was an Israeli citizen. His bomb vest did not detonate.

Once again armed civilians managed to prevent a terrorist from killing many more.

Schools should always allow legally armed civilians on campus to act as a deterrent and to protect the unarmed.

Current reports, six dead, more injured, and a tragedy was prevented.