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Heartland Patriot wrote:

jerry_r60 wrote:

VMI77 wrote: I agree, but why would anyone who isn't a deranged liberal want to work for any of those companies or people anyway? I work in the utility industry and if there is anyone I work with who wouldn't applaud this guy, including the hiring supervisors, I've never heard them say anything that would so indicate. Most of the people who do the grunt work, and most of the technicians and engineers, are conservatives or libertarians, and gun owners. Many of them have CHL's. I have photos of guns posted in my office and one of my female coworkers asked for a copy of one of them. I don't even know of an employee in the building, male or female, who is anti-gun. In fact, I've never heard an anti-gun sentiment expressed by anyone I work with. My company provided a free CHL course for employees. I'm sure a guy like this Marine would have no problem being hired in this industry.

From what I saw in this thread, he's trying to go to college. So why would he want to work where people don't think like he does, because he needs a job. He needs to eat and pay rent. With the economy like it is, jobs are tight. If he's going to school, he needs a job that can accomodate a class schedule. Turning down a job like this on principle sounds good until you are hungry and it's rent time. I don't know about others but when I've been in job interviews, i don't ask the interviewer to tell me how he/she feels about guns, use of deadly force etc. If i find the work place to be hostile to me, i would likely start looking for a better place to work, while I'm drawing a paycheck.

During my time in the service, I was stationed at a couple of places where my immediate bosses were not, shall we say, the best of my career. Now, I couldn't just up and quit on the spot, but I could have gotten out when my enlistment was up. I didn't because the investment of my time and effort was far too great. So I can understand that there are circumstances that would keep a person working a job that they aren't very happy with.

And when I was in the military I made the opposite choice....everyone was telling me there were no jobs in the civilian world and my response was that I'd work at Mickey D's before I spent another day in uniform. I had to take a huge cut in pay but I got out and didn't have to work at Mickey D's. I can understand being in a situation where making such a choice is not a viable option, but I think a lot of the time when people stay at a job they hate, or say they hate, or say they need to survive, the reality is that their standard of living is more important to them than the abuse they take at work.

My wife stayed home and homeschooled our children. I worked with people who made more money than I did, and had a spouse who worked, who told me they couldn't afford to homeschool. That was a statement of priorities and a choice. We met plenty of homeschool families who made a different choice and lived on one-third the income I had at the time --they made a different and more difficult choice. While there are people out there saying there are no jobs, I work with several people now who have two jobs. Often, when people say there are no jobs out there, what they really mean is that there are no jobs they are willing to do. I don't mean this as a criticism --in some cases there are jobs that shouldn't be taken, and people may have their own reasons for choosing to remain unemployed. However, they are making a choice. If someone has to work a job and truly has no choice then he is a slave.

jerry_r60 wrote:

VMI77 wrote: I agree, but why would anyone who isn't a deranged liberal want to work for any of those companies or people anyway? I work in the utility industry and if there is anyone I work with who wouldn't applaud this guy, including the hiring supervisors, I've never heard them say anything that would so indicate. Most of the people who do the grunt work, and most of the technicians and engineers, are conservatives or libertarians, and gun owners. Many of them have CHL's. I have photos of guns posted in my office and one of my female coworkers asked for a copy of one of them. I don't even know of an employee in the building, male or female, who is anti-gun. In fact, I've never heard an anti-gun sentiment expressed by anyone I work with. My company provided a free CHL course for employees. I'm sure a guy like this Marine would have no problem being hired in this industry.

From what I saw in this thread, he's trying to go to college. So why would he want to work where people don't think like he does, because he needs a job. He needs to eat and pay rent. With the economy like it is, jobs are tight. If he's going to school, he needs a job that can accomodate a class schedule. Turning down a job like this on principle sounds good until you are hungry and it's rent time. I don't know about others but when I've been in job interviews, i don't ask the interviewer to tell me how he/she feels about guns, use of deadly force etc. If i find the work place to be hostile to me, i would likely start looking for a better place to work, while I'm drawing a paycheck.

I think we're talking about two different things, or perhaps, two different time lines. I believe you're talking short-term....unless you're suggesting you'd spend your whole life in such a job. I'm talking long-term. I too have been in jobs with miserable management and each time I worked at leaving as soon as I could. Sometimes it even took a few years. I don't suffer fools gladly, so more than once I've endured a rather large cut in pay to change jobs --my first move cut my pay in half. Unless one is very lucky, there is always a trade-off between pay and working conditions. Also, when you work in a particular industry long enough you learn what the different companies that comprise it are like so you go to an interview knowing what to expect on the job. There are companies in my industry I wouldn't even consider working for --except perhaps, as a short stop along the way to something else.

However, my main point is that there are workplaces, even whole industries, where what this Marine did would be appreciated and not be any impediment to employment.

anygunanywhere wrote:

RoyGBiv wrote:

WildBill wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I would have made them fire me. If they weren't at least a little bit afraid of what he might do (in the press, not to them personally) if fired, why did they offer him the chance to resign instead of being fired?

Many companies will do this. It can be good for a job applicant to truthfully state that he has never been fired from a position.

If he did get fired, he might also be able to collect unemployment if he appealed to TWC.

I'm afraid you're correct, but that wouldn't sway me..

Hiring manager: I see you were fired from your job a Walmart, can you give me some details?
Me: I stopped a robbery in the parking lot. Guy pulled a gun and I took it from him, so he pulled out a knife. I had no choice so I shot him with his own gun. Apparently that was against Walmart policy so they fired me. I'd do it again today under the same circumstances.

Who would NOT hire that guy?

Anyone from the UK.

Most people who do not hang out on gun boards.

Michael Bloomburg.

Many more. We actually are probably in the minority.

Anygunanywhere

I agree, but why would anyone who isn't a deranged liberal want to work for any of those companies or people anyway? I work in the utility industry and if there is anyone I work with who wouldn't applaud this guy, including the hiring supervisors, I've never heard them say anything that would so indicate. Most of the people who do the grunt work, and most of the technicians and engineers, are conservatives or libertarians, and gun owners. Many of them have CHL's. I have photos of guns posted in my office and one of my female coworkers asked for a copy of one of them. I don't even know of an employee in the building, male or female, who is anti-gun. In fact, I've never heard an anti-gun sentiment expressed by anyone I work with. My company provided a free CHL course for employees. I'm sure a guy like this Marine would have no problem being hired in this industry.