TexasCHLforum.com

74novaman wrote:

b322da wrote: I do hope those here, and there must be some here, who might equate "National Socialist" with "Socialism" will take the time to Google it a bit.

Elmo

Well, lets look at the party platform from 1920, shall we?
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/25points.html

Could you argue that socialists today wouldn't support points 11-17, 20, 21, or 25? (of the actual text, not the guys summery on top)

Though there was elements of extreme nationalism (as understood in the Western European sense of Nationalism) in the National Socialist German Workers Party (left wing buzzwords enlarged for you), you're going to have a very hard time convincing me socialism wasn't a part of the Nazi party platform.

That kind of leads to a whole different discussion, regarding where Nazis truly fell on the political spectrum. I would argue a part of why Nazis are identified as "right wing" is partially due to an oversimplification of trying to place them in opposition of their main opponents, the "left wing" communists.

If you want to use the pedantic, wrongheaded left to right spectrum, I arrange my personal spectrum with absolute freedom on the right, and absolute tyranny on the left, so it end up looking something like this with regard to all the isms:

Communists, Socialists, European Labor party and socialists, US Democrats, US Republicans, libertarians, anarchists.

Though I much prefer a 2 axis political diagram, like this:



For the TL;DR crowd:
National Socialism, while not a true socialist movement, contained enough elements of socialism in their platform and goals to justify the "socialist" part of the NSDAP name.

edmart001 wrote:I've been living in the UK since early May on a work assignment. In a discussion with three of my colleagues at the office yesterday, after expressing condolences for the dead and injured, I stated that I can't understand why 5 or 10 of the youth on the island didn't rush the guy and take him down. That he may have been able to shoot a few of them but not over 60 of them and that in an hour and a half, there had to have been opportunities to disarm him, like while reloading, or something.

The Brits all looked at me like I had lost my flipping mind.

One of them re-explained the turn of events to me as reported in the media as if I obviously didn't understand what had happened. Again I asked, why, after a few minutes, when it was apparent that help would not arrive in a timely manner and their friends were being executed, didn't several mass attack the guy and take him down? I was given the explaination that, "Well, that's the job for the police". To which I replied, "Who took an hour and a half to get there".

I could see that I was making everyone uncomfortable, so I ended the conversation by turning it into a general industrial safety point (we work for an engineering / construction company). I pointed out that we are all responsible for our own personal safety. That governments, companies and projects are all trying to look out for our best interest, and many safe-guards and systems have been put in place to minimize our exposure to risks in an attempt to make our lives safer. But at the end of the day, when and if the excrement impacts the fan blades, we still have to use our heads, think for ourselves and exercise good judgement. I reminded them of the Piper-Alpha disaster many years ago in the North Sea where 168 people died, many of whom were mustered at the escape capsules waiting for the order to abandon the platform, but since the initial explosion took out the control room, there was nobody left to give that order. The few that did survive are the ones who thought for themselves, realized the situation on the platform was going from real bad to worse, and decided to take their chances at being rescued by going overboard near rescue craft.

My colleagues looked very troubled by the entire exchange, but one of them looked me in the eye, nodded and winked.

Maybe a spark of understanding???

philip964 wrote:Great, a conservative, white, licensed gun owner, mason, right wing, nut job and now he likes Texas.

http://blog.chron.com/newswatch/2011/07 ... manifesto/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mamabearCali wrote:That said it is really scary that when you disarm a whole group of people -a whole nation really--you take with it any notion of resistance other than fleeing.

b322da wrote:A question for you in return, Beiruty. If our nation defaults on its good faith and credit early next month, leading to a worldwide economic catastrophe, might that to a large extent be the result of a very few dedicated terrorists on 9/11 who gave their lives for their cause, as repugnant as that cause might be to most of us? Might that one act have "advanced their cause?" No answer here; just a hypothetical question for you, me, and a lot of others.

I am not arguing that this will or will not happen, and I do not mean to invite an off-topic debate here on the politics of whether it will happen, or why, if it does happen, by those members who know who they are.

Elmo