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by VMI77
Mon Oct 13, 2014 10:54 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whole Foods Gun Policy
Replies: 108
Views: 23375

Re: Whole Foods Gun Policy

drjoker wrote:
LDB415 wrote:I can't imagine anyone carrying less than 100% of the time. Either that or where I am unable to know in advance when I will be in danger, others can miraculously know that for themselves. Until I develop that special talent I'll keep carrying all the time. Common sense demands it.
Some people work at a place where guns are banned by law and/or 30.06 posted. If the workplace provides armed security guards or off duty police officers then it's fine. Otherwise it woudl be immoral to ban guns at work. Anyways, if you can't carry at work, then you're only carrying 20 to 40% of the time when you go out, right?
I don't understand your logic. We have armed security where I work, but if a disgruntled employee showed up and started shooting people, when seconds count, they'd be minutes away, just like the police. Also, what if the first person they shoot is the armed security guard? Being way out in the country, as we are, the police won't be showing up for a long time. Anyway, I can carry at work, so I am armed 100% of the time. In fact, I'm sitting at my desk right now with a CZ 75 PO1 Phantom, loaded with an 18 round mag with another 18 round mag on my belt.
by VMI77
Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:49 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whole Foods Gun Policy
Replies: 108
Views: 23375

Re: Whole Foods Gun Policy

shootthesheet wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
drjoker wrote:However, she dislikes guns personally (not politically, though) and never carries. We don't have any guns at home, but I've stashed a pistol with the neighbors (shh.... don't let her know!). :biggrinjester:
You guys with the anti-gun wives scare me. Maybe not so much as you describe the situation in your case, where you say your wife respects the right to own guns, but even here, if anti-gun spouses can't be convinced by someone they know care about and respect, that guns are important to self-defense, what is our long-term chance for keeping our 2A rights when we're dealing with liberal anti-gun strangers?
It is harder for a person to accept a "truth" or "fact" from someone they know than from a stranger most of the time. They know our faults or what they consider faults and allow their own weaknesses to be projected on us. It may be something as small as how a husband reacts to a football game. She thinks he can't control himself watching that "SILLY" sport then how can he control himself with a gun. It is ignorant and one has nothing to do with the other but in a wife’s simple thought process that is how it is. Could be a husband as well that thinks that way. Nothing to do with one sex or the other. None of that exists with a stranger so people are more likely to listen and consider the truths and facts of an argument. Especially if the person is or looks respectable. It was Jesus, I think, that said, "A Profit isn't accepted in his home town" (my way of remembering it). It goes back to how a person thinks of us versus who we really are. My opinion anyway.
You make a good point. I wasn't thinking of it that way because that isn't the relationship I have with my wife, but I have both personally experienced what you're talking about with other family members, and witnessed it among other people.
by VMI77
Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:47 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whole Foods Gun Policy
Replies: 108
Views: 23375

Re: Whole Foods Gun Policy

chasfm11 wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
drjoker wrote:However, she dislikes guns personally (not politically, though) and never carries. We don't have any guns at home, but I've stashed a pistol with the neighbors (shh.... don't let her know!). :biggrinjester:
You guys with the anti-gun wives scare me. Maybe not so much as you describe the situation in your case, where you say your wife respects the right to own guns, but even here, if anti-gun spouses can't be convinced by someone they know care about and respect, that guns are important to self-defense, what is our long-term chance for keeping our 2A rights when we're dealing with liberal anti-gun strangers?
We will keep our 2nd Amendment rights as long as we don't allow the Liberals to elect a bunch of Brady approved representatives to our Government.

We had another thread going where some of us with what I'll call "gun reluctant" wives, GFs, etc, discussed our situations. Often times, they really aren't anti-gun Liberals but are simply concerned about us being arrested or harmed because of our guns. There are sufficient real life situations (i.e. Costco shooting) to make them wary. With time and a steady patient approach, most of them will get over their fears and become full supporters.

I have no hope of winning over true anti-gun Liberals. Goodness knows, I've tried on many occasions. Usually, my head hurts for several days after each attempt because I just cannot wrap it around their arguments which are totally devoid of any logic, reason, common sense or facts. I have found those folks to be consistent - they approach all subjects the same way. That is why they want to starve thousands of CA farmers to protect a 2" smelt fish - that probably didn't need their protection in the first place.

Reading this thread, I don't think there is any problem with Whole Foods.

I got sloppy and mis-spoke, as I completely agree that there is virtually no hope of changing the minds of any anti-gun liberals --at least by rational debate or logic. I was actually thinking more of those who have been negatively influenced by the media, but don't have any real emotional investment in being anti-gun. The true Liberal identity is inextricably bound up in being anti-gun, and probably more importantly: anti-selfdefense.
by VMI77
Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:37 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whole Foods Gun Policy
Replies: 108
Views: 23375

Re: Whole Foods Gun Policy

drjoker wrote:
VMI77 wrote:
drjoker wrote:However, she dislikes guns personally (not politically, though) and never carries. We don't have any guns at home, but I've stashed a pistol with the neighbors (shh.... don't let her know!). :biggrinjester:
You guys with the anti-gun wives scare me. Maybe not so much as you describe the situation in your case, where you say your wife respects the right to own guns, but even here, if anti-gun spouses can't be convinced by someone they know care about and respect, that guns are important to self-defense, what is our long-term chance for keeping our 2A rights when we're dealing with liberal anti-gun strangers?
Err... didn't I say that
My wife has a CHL... to let our legislators know not to mess with the 2nd amendment and our freedoms.
She is anything BUT anti-2nd A. Let me put it like this... I support the 1st Amendment, but I am not a news reporter nor do I write a newspaper column. However, I will vote only for political candidates that also support the 1st Amendment. Just because I do not personally write for a newspaper doesn't mean that I don't support free speech.

My wife has a CHL and we're in the NRA, but we do not have any guns at home. Freedom allows you to have a choice. You may not choose to do what the freedom allows you to do, but having that choice available is freedom.

God bless America!
:patriot:

P.S. No, not kidding muleman. I do have very cool neighbors. My next door neighbor vows he will "Joe Horn" anybody who dares invade my home. I vow to pay all his attorney's fees and hospital fees.
I apologize for being unclear. I should perhaps have been more specific. I did say your wife apparently respects the right to own guns, so I was attempting to make a similar distinction to the one you made of being personally against guns rather than politically. When I used "anti-gun" in this context I was speaking generally about both what you described as a personal issue, as well as those who are against 2A rights, including her only in the sense that she is apparently anti-having-a-gun-in-the-house.
by VMI77
Mon Nov 01, 2010 3:27 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Whole Foods Gun Policy
Replies: 108
Views: 23375

Re: Whole Foods Gun Policy

drjoker wrote:However, she dislikes guns personally (not politically, though) and never carries. We don't have any guns at home, but I've stashed a pistol with the neighbors (shh.... don't let her know!). :biggrinjester:
You guys with the anti-gun wives scare me. Maybe not so much as you describe the situation in your case, where you say your wife respects the right to own guns, but even here, if anti-gun spouses can't be convinced by someone they know care about and respect, that guns are important to self-defense, what is our long-term chance for keeping our 2A rights when we're dealing with liberal anti-gun strangers?

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