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Excaliber wrote:Folks, let's not go off the deep end here and conclude that millions of CHL / CCW holders should abandon concealed carry because of the single incident tragedy in Nevada.

If you take such a reactionary approach, you'll need to reverse course anyway the next time an innocent person is murdered in cold blood and couldn't do anything to stop it because he or she wasn't armed.

It is not reasonable to allow one complex adverse incident to influence one to abandon lifestyle decisions made for good reason over time.

The investigation into the events at the Las Vegas Costco is ongoing, and we'll doubtless find any number of useful lessons in what comes out.

At this point, I think we can reasonably take away at least the following points:

1. Redouble your efforts to maintain concealment and be especially conscious of this during movements that might expose the gun - bending over, stretching, putting stuff in the trunk of your car, etc.

2. If you're ever asked to leave a location because your gun was spotted, let the person know you are licensed to carry, apologize for the lapse, and leave right then.

3. If you're confronted by police while you have a holstered concealed handgun:

- Stop and don't move until you're certain you know what they want you to do.
- If the situation allows, tell officers you will do what they say
- Arms away from your sides and palms open generally helps reduce tension if it can be done without violating police commands. It also creates a clear record on any video that may be recording your actions.
- When complying with commands, move slowly so officers have time to process what you're doing and make corrections if they see something they don't like
- If you're given multiple conflicting commands, don't move at all until you and they can agree on how you should comply
- Under no circumstances put your hands anywhere near your holstered gun.

baldeagle wrote:It has me wondering if I should carry at all. And I don't think I'm alone.

Keith B wrote:

seniorshooteress wrote:I watched the video and the LEO spokesperson said there was a gun on the ground and another in his waistband. It is not unlikely after the shooting when the cops said "oops" that one of them could have put their thrown down weapon on the ground. Wonder if they will take any fingerprints off that weapon or do any other kind of investigation into who actually owned the gun that was 'supposedly" on the ground. They could have put his hand on it after the fact but a serial number trace should tell who owned the gun. Unless this guy had a really intense mental breakdown inside this store, from what I am reading/hearing about this guy, it is very much out of character for him to have reacted in the way the LEO discribe. I doubt we will ever get the real truth, sure would like to know what really happened.

Throw-down weapons and placing someones hand on a gun to get their prints on it is television and movie hype. There were way too many whitenesses around for anything like that to have transpired anyway.

I really believe this is the forging of a severe error chain. We had a person who was possibly agitated at the store employees and management about being confronted for his taking items out of packages, his gun being seen and people and store personnel making Man With a Gun calls to 911, officers responding to a MWG call, the store being evacuated and patrons not realizing what the issue was or panicking if they had seen the gun(s), officers improperly moving the individual into public vs isolating him, maybe the individual misinterpreting the officers commands due to a lot of noise or multiple officers issuing commands and not being able to discern them and reaching for or drawing one of his guns (lots of people carry more than one), ad infinitum.

Bottom line, there were multiple serious mistakes made by lots of folks, and had any one of them not happened, then the guy would probably be alive and the issue could have been sorted out and we would never be hearing about it.