Being on a bike certainly changes things and makes the "stay in your vehicle" advice a non-starter.
I'm having a hard time picturing a situation where a bike would be completely trapped. Unless you're riding a full dresser, you should be able to take off between the line of cars. You do leave a bike length or two between you and the vehicle ahead, right? Still, it COULD happen.
If someone is able to sneak up on you so quickly you don't have time to get off, you need to work on your situational awareness. When you see the threat, don't worry about the kickstand unless there's time to put it down. Step off the bike on the opposite side to the threat and let the bike fall toward the threat (scratches can be fixed) and take a step or two backwards, thus putting an obstacle between you. At this point, I would start yelling, "Get back!", "Get away from me!". If nothing else, it will get other people's attention. If he moves to step around the bike to get to you, I would think you'd be on solid ground to draw your weapon - you can be pretty certain you're under attack.
Every situation is different, so your mileage may vary. I just tried to work within the terms you set.
Edit: If, instead of pressing the attack, he goes back to his vehicle, let him. If you can safely get the license number, that's good. If not, then let it go. If you pulled your weapon, stop as close as safely possible and call 911 to report it. You don't know what he might call 911 and say. He had a lot more opportunity to get your license number.
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- Thu Feb 18, 2016 7:43 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?
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- Wed Feb 17, 2016 10:23 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?
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Re: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?
I know, but I had a hard time finding any of the old articles. You know, they didn't fit the agenda.Jusme wrote:Pawpaw wrote:The very first Texas CHL-involved shooting happened in Dallas. In traffic, two trucks hit their mirrors together. One guy decided to get out and teach the other (the CHL) a lesson.
The CHL did the smart thing by staying in his vehicle with the windows up and the doors locked. This merely infuriated the first guy, so he broke the window, reached in and started beating the CHL. The CHL pulled out his handgun and put one .40 S&W (I think) round right in the middle of his chest. The CHL wound up with some permanent injuries, including a broken eye socket.
Although the media tried to crucify the CHL, the grand jury no billed him. If he had gotten out of his vehicle, the outcome MIGHT have been different.
Edit: Here are the articles, first about the shooting and second about being no billed. I was wrong about his window being up.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/02/23/us/tr ... n-law.html
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-03-21/ ... grand-jury
I remember this case very well the two leftist reports from NYT and the LA paper are so full of misinformation it's ridiculous. The CHL holder, was chased by the other driver until he had to stop for a light behind traffic. The other driver got out and punched the CHL holder several times and was trying to pull him out of his vehicle. These facts were testified to by all witnesses including the dead guys partner.
- Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:59 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?
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Re: How Should This Confrontation Be Handled?
The very first Texas CHL-involved shooting happened in Dallas. In traffic, two trucks hit their mirrors together. One guy decided to get out and teach the other (the CHL) a lesson.
The CHL did the smart thing by staying in his vehicle with the windows up and the doors locked. This merely infuriated the first guy, so he broke the window, reached in and started beating the CHL. The CHL pulled out his handgun and put one .40 S&W (I think) round right in the middle of his chest. The CHL wound up with some permanent injuries, including a broken eye socket.
Although the media tried to crucify the CHL, the grand jury no billed him. If he had gotten out of his vehicle, the outcome MIGHT have been different.
Edit: Here are the articles, first about the shooting and second about being no billed. I was wrong about his window being up.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/02/23/us/tr ... n-law.html
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-03-21/ ... grand-jury
The CHL did the smart thing by staying in his vehicle with the windows up and the doors locked. This merely infuriated the first guy, so he broke the window, reached in and started beating the CHL. The CHL pulled out his handgun and put one .40 S&W (I think) round right in the middle of his chest. The CHL wound up with some permanent injuries, including a broken eye socket.
Although the media tried to crucify the CHL, the grand jury no billed him. If he had gotten out of his vehicle, the outcome MIGHT have been different.
Edit: Here are the articles, first about the shooting and second about being no billed. I was wrong about his window being up.
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/02/23/us/tr ... n-law.html
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-03-21/ ... grand-jury