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baldeagle wrote:

Pawpaw wrote: will argue that it's not right. Why is "domestic abuse" the only misdemeanor that will cost you your 2nd amendment rights? If it's that serious a crime, it should be a felony.

It should be a felony if it's proven with evidence.

Pawpaw wrote:Do you have any idea how easy it is to be convicted of domestic abuse? All that is necessary is for the female to call it into 911. The police will show up and tell you that they are required by law to take someone to jail and you're elected. Then you will have the opportunity to post bail. Remember, the person who put you there now has control of all of your money so good luck. After several months drag by, you will finally get your day in court. She says you did & you say you didn't. There are no bruises or other evidence, but that doesn't matter. The judge will still pronounce you guilty. Congratulations. You have now lost the right to own a gun and you didn't do anything.

I have seen it, personally, with a close family member. I was sitting in the courtroom when "judgement" was passed on a purely "he said - she said". The guy loses.

So what do we do with real abusers? Let them off? Your point is well taken, however, here's another side of the story.

My family and I were living in an apartment a number of years back. Around the corner from us was a woman with two children. Her husband was so abusive that she left him. After the fourth court restraining order requiring him to stay away, he walked into her house and shot her dead in front of her (and his) children. The court had taped recordings of him threatening to kill her on multiple occasions. Apparently it's not possible to arrest someone for making threats, even after it's been proven that they beat their spouse.

The law doesn't take real domestic abuse seriously enough. According to your story, they also tend to convict on domestic abuse with no corroborating evidence. That is a dichotomy that is unexplainable.

I agree with you completely,if it is proven with evidence. The problem today is that the system is terribly, horribly broken. Any time you can be accused of a crime and then convicted with absolutely no evidence, but at the whim of some judge, then there can be no justice. "Due process" just fell on it's face.

In the case I mentioned above, I think the big mistake was following his lawyer's advice and waiving a jury trial. Unfortunately, I don't have much more faith if it's a jury trial.

cb1000rider wrote:Is anyone arguing that people convicted of domestic abuse (ie, commonly called "criminals" on this forum) should retain their 2nd amendment rights?

I will argue that it's not right. Why is "domestic abuse" the only misdemeanor that will cost you your 2nd amendment rights? If it's that serious a crime, it should be a felony.

Do you have any idea how easy it is to be convicted of domestic abuse? All that is necessary is for the female to call it into 911. The police will show up and tell you that they are required by law to take someone to jail and you're elected. Then you will have the opportunity to post bail. Remember, the person who put you there now has control of all of your money so good luck. After several months drag by, you will finally get your day in court. She says you did & you say you didn't. There are no bruises or other evidence, but that doesn't matter. The judge will still pronounce you guilty. Congratulations. You have now lost the right to own a gun and you didn't do anything.

I have seen it, personally, with a close family member. I was sitting in the courtroom when "judgement" was passed on a purely "he said - she said". The guy loses.