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speedsix wrote:...probably not...all those law enforcement warnings and ratings are probably just a trick to get more donuts...and this report is probably totally unsubstantiated, too...http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/zip-cod ... park/79834" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; please...I'm glad your experiences have been wonderful...but if there was truly little crime there...the reports wouldn't include Big Bend...and it wouldn't be rated so high on the dangerous list by professional LEOs...people need something between Chicken Little and Pollyanna to make decisions where to take their families...that's part of why they do these reports and put these warnings on the Park website...there's reason to beware...

Hmm, BBNP a 3/4 on crime...in the last 10 years, there have been 0 (zero) murders in BBNP. 0 (zero) shootings... There have been some car clouts and petty theft though.

Abilene 6/6
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Alpine 3/3
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Houston 8/7
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Lubbock 8/7
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Ft Stockton 3/5
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Dallas 8/8
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Midland 4/5
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Austin 5/8
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El Paso 5/5
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Del Rio 4/5
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Presidio 2/1
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Terlingua 3/4
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So who do you want to believe, some company that built statistics or someone who actually lives in a place?

cnovel wrote:I am looking forward to going back,very nice,,i would feel safer than most places. I spent a week about two years ago,,then went to the state park for a week,with 4 days on a campground on the river,,good times.

My big baby golden retreiver did get a warning for being in the back country,even though he stayed in the truck,,it is clearly stated,my fault,,but he got the warning.not me ! all people very nice

any idea on the informal crossing reopening date ? (Boquillos)

Boquillas, sometime in April, maybe
It also will not be "informal". It will be a Class B Port of Entry. Passports required for entry or re-entry

speedsix wrote:...I have no interest in going there...but I'm sure if you researched it some, you'd find the incidents that they made these reports with...you KNOW you can trust your government...why would they publish such things, knowing it'd keep some folks away...and they'd have less work to do and expense...it's moot for me but those who're considering going somewhere need to have the truth...and then they can make an informed decision...

The problem with your theory is there were no incidents in BBNP that have anything to do with the material you posted.

speedsix wrote:...a bit more recent than 1988...just one report from one year...it may not be all that legend suggests...but it's not Branson, MO...y'all be careful there

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/sep2004 ... 01-02.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


...rated as the second most dangerous of our national parks.... http://www.nathpo.org/News/Federal/News ... ncies8.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...ETex's lookin' safer all the time... http://naturalresources.house.gov/Info/ ... erview.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Please, as someone who works here and has for the last 20 years, I would like you to show me documented incidents.

And the 2004 FOP "report" is laughable. There is more than a full complement of rangers and USBP here.

But by all means, come and see for yourself how dangerous it is here.

I live and work in the Big Bend. Several things you may want to ponder...

PeteCamp wrote:Alex...Yes sir. It is much more dangerous today than it was when I lived there. I love the area, but the problems in Mexico have made it, in my opinion, not worth the risk. Maybe some day we'll be able to visit there in relative safety again and let our kids and grandkids see one of the most amazing places on the planet.

Please Pete, show me the documented dangers. There have been no violent incidents here in quite some time. There have been some gnarly things on the south side of the river, but not here. That being said, do I carry? Yes, just like I do everywhere else in Texas, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona and anywhere else my CHL is valid.

The last shooting incident down here was shortly after the Colorado Canyon shooting in 1988 when some Bubba's went on the river near San Vicente, armed in violation of park regs and shot at some Mexican Nationals that were south of the river. Oh, and the US Marine that shot and killed an 18 year old US citizen near Redford.

No one has been kidnapped/abducted from here in recent memory

You may carry a concealed handgun in BBNP(no open carry) but it has to stay concealed and you cannot carry into any visitor center, ranger station, or any other Federal building. The lodge, gas station and stores are not Federal buildings. The exception is Castolon since there is a visitor center in the same building. The traveling law works too if one is not a CHL holder. Look for the no firearms signs on the doors.

If you are on the river(and happen to be on the Mexican side which you aren't supposed to be) and have a firearm, and are caught by the Mexican Army, Marinas, Federales, or anyone else with authority there, you are hosed, in more ways than one.

You may not open carry a long gun in the park(per the Superintendent and Chief Ranger), it must stay in the vehicle

And finally about your pets, you can have them where you can drive, not on trails or the back country.