What this Ranger did was unacceptable. No doubt about it. I am not trying to defend his actions as they were.OlBill wrote: Is that what the Ranger did? Or did he attempt to prevent road rage with road rage?
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- Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:06 pm
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- Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:04 pm
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steveincowtown wrote:
Playing devils advocate a bit here, but could you provide the section of penal code that he violated that the trooper would have been warning him that he violated?
Flipping someone off is only a crime when witnessed and then complained about/reported by a third party. No third party involved here.
Let's start with common sense public safety - which is REALLY what police should be focused on. Would you rather see someone pulled over for a polite conversation or see the cops investigating a multiple-homicide road rage incident that would likely wind up in innocent casualties?
I'm all for personal liberties, but when you put unrelated third parties in potential danger, you are being reckless. You don't need to agree with me, and I'm not trying to change your mind. I am stating my opinion on the matter, no more and no less.
- Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:14 pm
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steveincowtown wrote:
I do. No crime was committed. Should an LEO be able to pull you over for "foolishness" because you have a bumper sticker they don't like? Or maybe the he doesn't like red cars? Or maybe you have a "foolish" hair cut.
Why couldn't the ranger be like every other cop on the planet and wait for the guy to cross the center line, or not signaling 100' before an intersection, or "illegal" trim around the license plate, etc.? Then ticket him with a smile on his face.
100% agreed on the not needing to be an LEO.
Having an offensive bumper sticker is not nearly as likely to incite violence as flipping someone off. I didn't say I WANTED them to pull anyone over, nor did I say it should be standard practice. However, stupid is as stupid does. Actions SHOULD have consequences. If you flip off a cop, and you get a warning over it, so be it.
With that said, as a citizen, you are fully within your right to tell them to pound sand and object to any perceived harassment. I'd have no problem with that either.
- Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:48 pm
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Jusme wrote: When I was a LEO, we were trained that we could not be offended. While obscene gestures are considered disorderly conduct, if the officer is the only one who sees it, and there is no complainant, it's no harm no foul. If I had reacted, to every gesture, or insult directed towards me, as a LEO, I would not have had a job, very long. Since most Rangers drive, unmarked vehicles, and wear no uniform, it's very possible the guy was unaware that he was showing his stupidity, and ill manners to a LEO, but even so, the Ranger, should not have reacted in that manner. If there was another violation, to pull the guy over, then I can understand the stop. But unless there was a threat to his safety, he was out of line, by drawing his gun. Every Ranger I have been associated with, always displayed the utmost in professionalism, and decorum, and I have the highest respect for the job they do. But as they say about one bad apple...
Pulling the gun was absurd.
However, I don't see the problem in pulling someone over and advising them of the foolishness they displayed, and then politely point out the potential to incite road rage that could potentially result in their own injury or demise.
The guy does not need to be a LEO, either way.