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by canvasbck
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:15 pm
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: KS:Witchta man dies after fake "Swatting" call
Replies: 93
Views: 26423

Re: KS:Witchta man dies after fake "Swatting" call

BBYC wrote:
MechAg94 wrote: Plus, if they don't prosecute the officer for the death, can you really punish the SWAT'er as an accessory to murder?
:iagree: if the shooter is not guilty then the caller is not guilty.
From Wikipedia:
Constructive manslaughter is also referred to as "unlawful act" manslaughter. It is based on the doctrine of constructive malice, whereby the malicious intent inherent in the commission of a crime is considered to apply to the consequences of that crime. It occurs when someone kills, without intent, in the course of committing an unlawful act. The malice involved in the crime is transferred to the killing, resulting in a charge of manslaughter.

For example, a person who fails to stop at a red traffic light while driving a vehicle and hits someone crossing the street could be found to intend or be reckless as to assault or criminal damage (see DPP v Newbury[9]). There is no intent to kill, and a resulting death would not be considered murder, but would be considered involuntary manslaughter. The accused's responsibility for causing death is constructed from the fault in committing what might have been a minor criminal act. Reckless driving or reckless handling of a potentially lethal weapon may result in a death that is deemed manslaughter.

Involuntary manslaughter may be distinguished from accidental death. A person who is driving carefully, but whose car nevertheless hits a child darting out into the street, has not committed manslaughter. A person who pushes off an aggressive drunk, who then falls and dies, has probably not committed manslaughter, although in some jurisdictions it may depend whether "excessive force" was used or other factors.
The false report was a criminal act. The malicious intent that the caller had when calling in the SWATting report transfers to the consequence of that crime (death) if his actions created that consequence.

Actually, the person making the false report would be LESS at fault if the officer is found to have committed a criminal act. If the LEO is found to have acted reasonably, then the false report created the circumstances that led to this fatality. If it's found that the officer was criminal in his conduct, then an attorney could argue that the false report did not lead directly to the death.
by canvasbck
Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:11 am
Forum: The Crime Blotter
Topic: KS:Witchta man dies after fake "Swatting" call
Replies: 93
Views: 26423

Re: KS:Witchta man dies after fake "Swatting" call

Liberty wrote:
Txtension wrote:
cedarparkdad987 wrote:Do not go outside. If you do go out side put your hands in the air and do not do anything else even if they tell you to. No matter what.
I find it hard to believe that if you just not answer the door, LE will go away. In fact now it totally justifies a crack team of commandos with APC's, tear gas, and flashbangs making a breaching action.

So you go outside hands up and refuse to obey any other lawful commands. Looks like you are on PCP, an extremely powerful drug that increases your strength, dexterity, constitution and hit points to ridiculous levels. And that's why everyone on scene emptied their mags reloaded and emptied those. And if you really were high, it's doubtful that they could have brought enough ammunition. But I digress; into the absurd
You left out shooting the dog.
THIS is when I go all John Wick on them.

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