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There is a reason that the Texas petition has racked up so many signatures. Here's a quote from a famous Texan;

I believe that God has planted in every heart the desire to live in freedom.

This man may not have been that popular (It's George Bush), but he hit the nail on the head. Secession talk is alive and growing because we desire to live as free people. We see that our freedoms are being eroded at an alarmingly increasing rate in this country and some people are willing to do whatever it takes to regain the freedom that our forefathers fought and died for.

Kythas wrote:I'm hearing that signing any of the secession petitions is a reportable offense if you have a security clearance, and the FBI is investigating all the people who signed one. If you have a clearance, it may be grounds to have that clearance revoked.

Also, the FBI may be placing all people who signed the petitions on a watch list.

Not something I'm particularly concerned about. I'm pretty sure that as a Firearms owner, CHL holder, IDPA member, NRA member, VP of a shooting club, Tea Party advocate who is also in charge of security for a petrochemical facility I'm on some lists already.

Wienerdogtroy wrote:

pbwalker wrote:

Wienerdogtroy wrote:

VMI77 wrote:
Nonsense. It's not unconstitutional and it's not treason.

If you tried to rebel, the FBI and the US military will beg to differ. And yes, its treason.

How?

Derp derp, advocating the breakup of the Union. The case of Grant v. Lee (cert denied) settled this question.

Your back trying to claim that signing a petition is somehow treasonous. Did you just conveniently ignore my post where the first amendment is quoted? You accused me of treason and I asked you to show me one single post of mine where I advocate anything that would be treason. Instead of backing up your accusation with evidence of treason, you just keep making the same accusation directed at others. Just like when the left can't prove racism, they just keep repeating the accusation as if that somehow makes it valid.

The Texas petition has now exceeded 100,000 supporters.


The petition calling for exhile and deportation of everyone who signed the secession petitions is at 10,000.

Wienerdogtroy wrote:

canvasbck wrote:

Furthermore, unrelated to what I quoted, all this talk about secession over mere election results is highly immature. Don't you guys who support it realize you're saying that you're so uncivilized that you can't stand to even be in the same country as someone who dares to disagree with you? Grow up! If you want to talk secession because the federal government actually did or didn't do something (like that TSA-TX spat a couple years ago), fine, then there might be something worth talking about. But seceding over people voting differently than you is just nuts. Wasn't the 1st amendment put there to protect varying political ideas? And don't we claim to be the political group that loves & respects the entire US Constitution, rather than just the parts that suit our purposes?

For the record, I advocate the threat of secession as an extreme measure to attempt to reign in the federal government and force them to abide by the constitution. I advocated for this during Bush's term and not because of the result of one election. What this election did for me and, I believe, many like me is highlight the fact that the majority of our population is no longer interested in a government that stays out of our lives and out of our way. Four years ago, I was disapointed because I thought that most of the country fell for the "rainbows and unicorns" promises that spewed from the mouth of the infested pustule. (credit to anygun for that term) and didn't do any research into the man's beliefs or background. This time around, it is clear that 52% of our citizens who care enough to vote knew exactly what they were voting for and have caused me to loose faith in this country's ability to ever return to our founding principals.

Excellent, you espouse treason. If you don't like our ways, leave. Don't think you will ever, ever be permitted to drive this state from the Union. We settled it once, and will settle it again.

Treason? REALLY?!?!?

Perhaps you failed to notice the numerous posts I have made where I acknowledge that the petition has no hope of actually leading to anything. Or the post that you quoted that stated that my only real goal is to return THIS GOVERNMENT to one that follows our US Constitution. Please point me to ANY post where I have supported armed insurrection, overthrow of the current government, provided aid and comfort to our enemies, or any other act that is considered treason. How could you possibly call it treasonous to sign a petition that I have publicly acknowledged will in no way lead to an actual secession?

You spent two seperate posts telling me to pack up and leave our country rather than try and change her back ino the constitutional republic that she was founded as. Let me help you out here. The first amendment states the following; Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Have we really reached the point where excercising a right that is spelled out in the First Amendment results in acusations of Treason?

I have been acused of being a racist for attending a Tea Party rally and for voting against a minority candidate because I disagree with his policies. I have been called a zealot for sticking to my principals and not beleiving in the murder of the unborn. I have been called many other names by the left because I don't believe the way thay do. I don't mind any of that because they also have the right to free speech, even hateful speech. You sir, have accused me of a crime that carries with it the death penalty because I actually used a right that is expressly granted to me by the Constitution of the United States. I will not sit idly by while such actions are taken against me. I suggest that you actually learn what our Constitution says before throwing out dangerous and false acusations.

Kythas wrote:And now we have this. People really want the President of the United States to have the sole discretion to strip the citizenship of any person via executive order? I don't want any one man to have that power. Currently Congress has that authority, and that's where that authority should stay.

We are headed for some very dangerous times. I believe the chasm between the left and the right is now far too wide to resolve politically.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh- ... 63282.html

Would it be wrong for me to sign this one after I signed the Secession one?

A quote from the petition:

"Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported," the full petition reads.

I believe it would be impossible to have me peacefully deported.

Furthermore, unrelated to what I quoted, all this talk about secession over mere election results is highly immature. Don't you guys who support it realize you're saying that you're so uncivilized that you can't stand to even be in the same country as someone who dares to disagree with you? Grow up! If you want to talk secession because the federal government actually did or didn't do something (like that TSA-TX spat a couple years ago), fine, then there might be something worth talking about. But seceding over people voting differently than you is just nuts. Wasn't the 1st amendment put there to protect varying political ideas? And don't we claim to be the political group that loves & respects the entire US Constitution, rather than just the parts that suit our purposes?

For the record, I advocate the threat of secession as an extreme measure to attempt to reign in the federal government and force them to abide by the constitution. I advocated for this during Bush's term and not because of the result of one election. What this election did for me and, I believe, many like me is highlight the fact that the majority of our population is no longer interested in a government that stays out of our lives and out of our way. Four years ago, I was disapointed because I thought that most of the country fell for the "rainbows and unicorns" promises that spewed from the mouth of the infested pustule. (credit to anygun for that term) and didn't do any research into the man's beliefs or background. This time around, it is clear that 52% of our citizens who care enough to vote knew exactly what they were voting for and have caused me to loose faith in this country's ability to ever return to our founding principals.

karder wrote:I am an advocate for what I call a "soft secession". Conservatism is not dead, in fact, most of this country is made up of red states. I can drive from one side of this country to the other without ever crossing a blue county.

It is time the red states stand up and take control away from the federal government. The first step is to reject Obamacare. The red states need to pull together and reject the mandates and unconstitutional power that the federal government has taken. Reject Obamacare, reject welfare and social mandates that our people don't agree with. Even reject Supreme Court rulings that conflict with our state courts. The Feds would cut off federal funding to the red states, but so be it. Obama only has the power that we as the citizens give him, but that is being forgotten.

I have no desire to tell the liberals how they need to live. If the people in New York and California want to live under the fist of the Federal government then God bless them. I don't believe the people of Texas or Oklahoma or Montana want to live that way. We still have rights and we don't have to bow down to washington. The red states need to stand up and conduction a revolution without bullets by just saying "no" to the Federal Government.

Actions such as the ones that you speak of would lead us down a path that winds up at multiple states actually seceeding. An online petition leads to.........well, nothing. Full disclosure, I signed it because it made me feel good.

Do you really think that we are as free as we were when we could open up the Sears catalog, order a rifle, and have it delivered to our house? REALLY?

I will not argue that there have been times throughout our history where we (shamefully) supressed the freedom of certain groups. But as a population, we are far from being as free as we have been historically.

I do not blame the Democratic party for it. The only difference between the two parties is which part of the constitution do they chose to turn into toilet paper. Dem's have attacked the first two amendments along with the tenth and will continue to do so. Republicans trashed the 4th (TSA and patriot act) along with the 10th and would do more if given the power.

Unfortunately, when there is a change in power the new party does nothing to repair the parts of the constitution destroyed by the former party and goes about trampling on the sections that are in the way of their agenda. This has led many to throw up their hands in frustration at the whole process and this frustration has turned into dreams of starting a seperate country that adheres to the values of our forefathers. No reasonable person believes that secession will actually happen in our lifetime, but what is wrong to letting those in power know that secession is preferable to continuing down the ruinous path that we now find ourselves on?

I signed the Texas one, even though it will mean nothing