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For every pro-gun argument you can make, I can give you the anti-gun argument. For example, you say it's to protect you against the government? Are you serious? Only a crazy person would think they could fight against the government. They have tanks and smart bombs and hundreds of thousands of troops. Only nutcase militia types think that, and they'll be crushed like bugs.

The point is, the back and forth keeps the playing field from getting tilted in either direction but it doesn't make progress. It would be nice if we could find shutdown arguments that end the discussion on one or more of the issues, but it's hard when the other side is perfectly willing to lie and make up stuff to "prove" their point.