Search found 4 matches

by baldeagle
Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:20 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: The most even handed gun policy post I've ever read
Replies: 18
Views: 2675

Re: The most even handed gun policy post I've ever read

K.Mooneyham wrote:I've agreed with you much of the time, baldeagle. However, with this stuff, I disagree with two caveats. The first is that IMHO, drugs are gang-related. Not saying there aren't individuals who grow weed and sell it, or cook up the occasional batch of something in the garage, but most drugs are pushed by gangs of one sort or another. The second caveat is that Hollywood and their pals manipulate almost everything seen on television. No matter how realistic (even something that actually happened) is shown on TV, you can bet it was edited to get a specific effect or to prove a specific point. Even the angle of a camera can dramatically change how people see an event. Yes, Hollywood likes money, and yes, they need ratings to get it...but they also have an agenda, and that agenda usually runs counter to the daily life of the average American citizen. If the gangs in this nation could somehow be broken, violent crimes would plummet overnight, I am convinced of that. Not be eliminated, but reduced substantially.
I watched a show last night that features a Colorado detective, Lt. Joe Kenda, who solved 400 homicides in his career. The story was about a 17 year old boy who had a dream to be a boxer. He was a health nut, worked out constantly, didn't drink and didn't do drugs. But he wanted to go to college, and the only way he knew (he thought) to get the money was sell drugs. He sold about $800 worth of drugs (cocaine) a week which, according to Lt. Kenda, was "definitely small time". (Yes, it was an incredibly foolish thing to do.)

One night he was partying with friends, at their house, and they all fell asleep. While he was sleeping his friends tried to take some of his cocaine, because they wanted more. He woke up, a fight started, and they beat and stabbed him to death.

Stories like that are told on the First 48 time after time after time. No gangs involved - in the homicide. They never revealed where he got the drugs, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was from a gang, but the gang is only tangentially related to the homicide.

So your point is correct in that gangs are the genesis of a lot of crime. However, the idea that we get from tv that they are driving around doing drive-bys and constantly shooting each other and other people isn't as true as the reporters want you to think it is. After all, if you watch tv you'd think crime is epidemic in America today. Yet the truth is that homicides are down about 45% from 20 years ago, and our population has exploded. Violent crime in general is down. Reality is not journalists' strong point. Sensationalism is.
by baldeagle
Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:53 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: The most even handed gun policy post I've ever read
Replies: 18
Views: 2675

Re: The most even handed gun policy post I've ever read

K.Mooneyham wrote:
baldeagle wrote:
K.Mooneyham wrote:Well they can either do something about gangs, or shut up about shootings, since the bulk of shootings are gang-related. That's all I'm getting at.
I just checked on that. Gang-related homicides constitute less than 20% of the annual homicides in America. So they are part of the problem, but not the bulk of it. 48% of males and 65% of females arrested for homicide tested positive for illegal substances yet drug-related homicides only accounted for about 5% of the total. Just some factoids I dug up.
So, you're telling me that the constant occurrences of shootings in the known bad neighborhoods in large urban areas like Baltimore, Philadelphia, Chicago, Houston, etc. aren't somehow gang-related? Or is it that a lot of the shootings aren't solved, so they can't officially tie it to gangs?
Not me. The FBI and CDC. Watch The First 48. You will see homicide after homicide after homicide due to a drug deal gone bad or the settling of a beef between two people or a robbery. Nothing at all to do with gangs. Just abysmally bad social skills and atrocious behavior.

I have seen shows where a guy killed his "best friend" during a robbery when the best friend resisted. I've seen shows where an innocent man was killed during a robbery. I've seen shows where people were killed during a shootout between two guys who had a beef with each other. Yesterday I watched one that was between gang members in Miami fighting over turf.

I am NOT saying there are no gang-related homicides. It's obvious there are, and the statistics prove it. What I'm saying is that the highest incidence of homicide is drug related, not gang related. The statistics prove it. The most stunning thing about the show is how they mostly seem to kill people they know.
by baldeagle
Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:31 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: The most even handed gun policy post I've ever read
Replies: 18
Views: 2675

Re: The most even handed gun policy post I've ever read

K.Mooneyham wrote:Well they can either do something about gangs, or shut up about shootings, since the bulk of shootings are gang-related. That's all I'm getting at.
I just checked on that. Gang-related homicides constitute less than 20% of the annual homicides in America. So they are part of the problem, but not the bulk of it. 48% of males and 65% of females arrested for homicide tested positive for illegal substances yet drug-related homicides only accounted for about 5% of the total. Just some factoids I dug up.
by baldeagle
Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:35 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: The most even handed gun policy post I've ever read
Replies: 18
Views: 2675

The most even handed gun policy post I've ever read

Special Feature: The Truth (and Doubts) about Gun Control

It's very long, so set aside some time to read it. But I found it one of the most even handed discussions of gun policy that I've ever read.

Return to “The most even handed gun policy post I've ever read”