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by saltydog452
Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:26 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons
Replies: 52
Views: 10263

Re: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons

Sorry Charles, I didn't intend to ignore your comment.

If the conclusion of a trial results in anything but a declaration of Not Guilty, that result is history. Maybe it can be set aside, receive deferred adjucation, community service, a campaign contribution, or two weeks in Prison Resort.

It is still history and should be subject to transparency and public view.

salty
by saltydog452
Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:04 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons
Replies: 52
Views: 10263

Re: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons

tommy,

That sounds like something that might be heard on 'The View'. Folks who live in gated compounds and have access of all that implies, just flat don't have a clue. History is just that and should not be subject to revision by the current powers that be.

The owners of chop shops don't steal the cars any more than pawn shop owners commit burglaries or street pimps spent a lot of time on their back with legs up.

A fourteen year old is just as capable of 'popin a cap' as a homeowner who just might be tired of being a victim.

A thief, whether its gazillions from a Pension Fund, or a lawnmower from a garage ought to be held accountable for their actions. Perhaps that line of thought is why there are now about 3 dozen states who have 'shall issue' laws.

salty
by saltydog452
Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:47 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons
Replies: 52
Views: 10263

Re: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons

The legislatures (all of them) SHOULD run as we were taught in 9th Grade Civics Class.

Thats about as likely as your car keys having enough mass to pull the Moon out of orbit.

salty
by saltydog452
Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:08 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons
Replies: 52
Views: 10263

Re: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons

Tell me where I'm wrong here.

To qualify for an legal (not political) expunction, the jury/judge must render a not guilty declaration. Notice, that is not the same as a Guilty Plea with deferred adjucation.

Then HisHonor, the Judge can be approached by an attorney, perhaps cut from the same bolt of cloth, to issue an Expunction Order. If granted, that Order goes to the Feebs, various City, State, and County files and retrival warerhouse storage facilities. It does notmake the arrest history go up in smoke. It does go away in a first blush inquiry though.

Pardons just might be pimping at a higher level.

salty
by saltydog452
Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:59 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons
Replies: 52
Views: 10263

Re: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons

Dang talltex, I just don't know.

From what I think I understand, deferred punishment is an agreement agreed on by the DA, and the defense. And, maybe between the Judge's ears. It is an admission of guilt and that admission can't get undone.

You're accused of flatuence in public, and don't have the resources or language skills to contest the accusation. You accept a ten dollar fine and hang your head in remorse while listening to a stern warning not to eat cabbage and hot links prior to going to Bass Hall. Deferred punishment is offered providing that you go forward and sin no more. Who wouldn't accept a deal like that?

Since you were either convicted of, or confessed to, a crime, the history is there. And can't (legally) be expunged.

That'd be where the pardon comes in.

I just don't see that happening for the unwashed masses. Not everybody has access to the Govs office. I see it as just another way that justice is pimped out.

Pandering is illegal. Unless maybe you just happen to be a legislator.

salty
by saltydog452
Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:01 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons
Replies: 52
Views: 10263

Re: Texas constitutional amendment prop. 9-pardons

Having access to some saved up money is a factor in determining which direction the winds of justice blow.

I was arrested and all that goes with it. The District Attorney felt that the arresting officers case didn't hold water and there was no prosecution.

The Expunction Order to remove that arrest history from DPS records cost me 2,000 $ in fees. I'm told that similar things can happen when a disgruntled soon to be ex spouse makes an accusation of mistreating a child.

An accusation can carry the weight of a conviction. Maybe the power to pardon could help, but I don't see that as being available to all. Hopefully it wouldn't be another example of Justice Sold Here shopping.

salty

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