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The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:23 am

oohrah wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:19 am

Jago668 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:04 am I've enjoyed what I've read from him, my favorite being Starship Troopers. That book has the "There are no dangerous weapons; there are only dangerous men." quote in it.

"Starship Troopers" was also the book that advocated service to obtain citizenship, only then could you vote or hold public office. Something to think about. I love Heinlein.

I have no problem with that idea in principle, so long as allowances are made for legitimate reasons. Otherwise, it’s unjust. I never served in the military, but I’m now in my late 60s. So if we converted over to a literal interpretation of this system, I’d lose my rights. I’m not down with that. I’m happy to stand guard with a rifle at the state's border or something like that, but there’s no way I could attempt, let alone finish a boot camp. Nor would I want to at this stage of my life, even if I could. I’m well past the age of putting up with some kid in a Smokey the Bear hat chewing me out for walking to the mess hall. Homey don’t do 4:00 a.m. reveilles unless it’s to go fishing.

Also, you have to make room for legitimate objectors of conscience by providing an alternative means of service for those who have legitimate religious or other philosophical objections to military service.....sort of an "internal peace corps" or something like it, if you will. They’d still be serving, but in a different capacity.

Many of my Friends and I have discussed this. I agree one should serve 2 years, either after graduation from High School or after one turns 18. One can serve in many capacities, such as the Military, Law Enforcement, (In Korea one can be drafted to be in the Military or the Riot Police), EMT, Firefighter, Nurse's Aide, Nursing Home Aid, City Sanitary Worker, one of the various Chaplin's Assistants, whatever, as long as you are serving the Nation in some sort of capacity. This would also include those who have some type of conscientious objection, but each of these professions chosen, must have a disciplined boot camp as it were. Obviously and Infantry soldier would have a different boot camp than would a Nurse's Aid, but some type of discipline should be applied, so that one would have an appreciation of their Nation. Also, allow one the opportunity to refuse, just can't vote or receive the same benefits as a full citizen. As far as those who did not serve as indicated, Grandfather Clause for all those who have passed their 18th Birthday, much as they should have concerning Bump Stocks, just sayin'.