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by DEB
Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:57 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Military Police
Replies: 65
Views: 8870

Re: Military Police

...Reality is, in general an NCO senior to another Soldier making the correction is more likely to blow off a correction from the junior Soldier then ANY officer when corrected by that same junior Soldier. I LOVE to be witness to those situations.. Right is right.... be a man (gender unspecific really) do the right thing because it's right. I dislike when a member of my NCO CORPS acts a fool.

DEB, where do you work on hood? What unit are you in? :thumbs2. Nurse.. Hosp? If you work in the ER,, you likely have seen the brass Name plate put in place for my Son and I...due to copious visits for sport and motocross induced events. :smilelol5:[/quote]

A heck of a better and more copious explanation than I could give SGM. :tiphat: I work at DES Physical Security as a Physical Security Specialist. Will be conducting your AA&E inspections, can't wait to see you get back, so that my work load can be increased... :patriot:
by DEB
Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:18 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Military Police
Replies: 65
Views: 8870

Re: Military Police

Purplehood wrote:
DEB wrote:No. The shooter is a Field Grade Officer, Major. (I say "is", as he hasn't been found guilty and stripped of his rank yet). The military is a Hierarchy, officers especially those of Field Grade are given great leeway. This is just a knee jerk reaction to the shooting by the military to show the outside world, especially those who believe that gun registration prevents crime, that they, the military, is quick to respond to prevent another mass shooting. One can still register their weapons, carry on post as if going to the range and detour to another location. No one follows you to insure you arrive at the range. Again just knee jerk as, I feel, all gun carry retardation does. Gun free zones are free fire zones for mass shooters, registration only retards those who follow the law and etc. These regulations, again, are aimed at the enlisted ranks. Commanders, usually in the rank of Captain, can't tell someone of higher rank to follow the regulation, such as our Major. My take with over 30 years of Army service.
I admit to not having 30 years of service, but I would dispute that you cannot tell someone of higher rank to follow any particular regulation. You can and are expected to. However, discretion is also highly valued in the Armed Forces.
You are right, one should follow regulation no matter one's rank. I was perhaps a bit over dramatic. What I was wanting to convey was, that here on Fort Hood if you are in the rank of SFC and above you self register. FH Reg 190-11 states that Soldiers in the rank of Staff Sergeant and below are required to obtain approval from the unit commander. That Newly assigned Soldiers (SSG and below) in possession of assignment orders may receive a temporary weapons registration (not to exceed 5 working days) pending Commander’s approval. Soldiers (SSG and below) that purchase a firearm (on weekends and
holidays) may receive a temporary weapons registration (not to exceed 3 working days) pending Commander’s approval. So as you can see/read what through registration would have prevented a Field Grade Officer from not registering his weapons? There are no checks. Also getting away from weapons, a junior grade soldier cannot tell a senior grade individual to adhere to regulation, or maybe to refrase this, the senior leader does not have to take the suggestion from the junior grade, unless it is considered an illegal order, such as the killing of prisoners, theft of some properties, disobeying ROE and etc. A private can tell a senior grade that he/she must adhere to a certain regulation, but if they do not, the private can't do anything to that individual to force compliance. (I am not talking about Military L.E.) While on the other hand, if the senior grade individual, especially a field grade, tells a private they must comply with regulation and the private does not, that private can be prosecuted for disobeying a lawful order. If a Captain tells a Major to register his/her weapons, that Major can tell that Captain to bump off. The Major perhaps can be prosecuted for not registering by the Senior Commander, but nothing will occur to him/her, through the UCMJ, for telling the Captain no. In the Military, respect only goes up, IAW the UCMJ. There are several other nuances, i.e. cannot curse a subordinate and etc, but that is the nature of the Military. Majors can order Captains, Captains cannot order Majors. This explanation is also not fully taking in consideration of all nuances, i.e. the Major can be under arrest, the Captain can be placed in charge of the Major through UCMJ procedings and etc. But for the normal day to day activities of the Military this is the case. As a junior grade soldier you better have your act fully together before you castigate a senior grade to comply with a particular regulation. :tiphat:
by DEB
Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:04 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Military Police
Replies: 65
Views: 8870

Re: Military Police

VoiceofReason wrote:
DEB wrote:
i8godzilla wrote:
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:If you locked your gun and all ammo in the trunk, while on a federal facility, I'm assuming
that this would still not be good enough to avoid arrest. Comments?

SIA
Each installation has separate rules concerning weapons being brought on post/base. As general rule of thumb you cannot normally have a weapon at a military installation. I know that recently at Ft. Hood you could inform the (civilian) security force at the gate that you have a locked up and unloaded firearm if you are only going from one gate to the Gatesville gate or vice-versa--cutting through. This only pertained to those that had installation decals. Do not know if that policy is still in place. When I was a member of the Sportsman Club, you had to go to the Provost Marshal's Office with the S/N, make, and model of each weapon to get a document to bring it back to the PMO for inspection. Once this was complete they issued you another document that allowed you to take the weapon directly to the Sportsman Club and directly off post. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. You still had to declare and most times have the weapon inspected at the gate. Again, you could only go directly to the Sportsman Club and then directly off post. Some days it seemed like I spent more time unloading, locking up, getting inspected, and doing the reverse to leave, than I did shooting. I no longer go to the Sportsman Club.

When I pick my grandkids up, their mother meets me at the gate so I do not have to disarm. Since the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood I refuse to be unarmed if at all possible.
+1 to you Sir. Installations could, at one time, have less restrictive policies. Fort Hood prior to November 9, 2009, had very liberal policies for about two years. Now we have returned to full registration, transport only with permission and etc. Also, now with the new AR 190-11 the installations must meet those minimum standards which are: You cannot at any time carry a privately owned weapon, except those folding knives with blades shorter than 3 inches, unless authorized by the Senior Commander. And, only for those activites such as hunting, dog training activities, or marksmanship events. All firearms will be registered prior to bringing on post, registration must remain with the vehicle and in view while transporting, can only transport in the trunk of the vehicle or in another area that is not accessible to the driver or passengers. Can only transport in a direct route to and from. Commercially available trigger locks and other security devices are also recommended. (This will mean the Senior Commander will do more than recommend). Registration is not difficult, go to the VCC with the S/N, make/model of the weapon, don't bring the weapon, fill out the FH Form 190-19, give it back and the weapon is registered. Really just returned to the days before 2007, except that there is not really any grace period and if you are a soldier, commanders have to insure the weapons are stored safely in your on-post quarters. If someone would like an indepth PM me and I can give you a POC that can assist you concerning gate entry, hunting requirements and etc.
Stupid question.

Would these regulations prevent another Ft. Hood type shooting? :headscratch

Just asking.
No. The shooter is a Field Grade Officer, Major. (I say "is", as he hasn't been found guilty and stripped of his rank yet). The military is a Hierarchy, officers especially those of Field Grade are given great leeway. This is just a knee jerk reaction to the shooting by the military to show the outside world, especially those who believe that gun registration prevents crime, that they, the military, is quick to respond to prevent another mass shooting. One can still register their weapons, carry on post as if going to the range and detour to another location. No one follows you to insure you arrive at the range. Again just knee jerk as, I feel, all gun carry retardation does. Gun free zones are free fire zones for mass shooters, registration only retards those who follow the law and etc. These regulations, again, are aimed at the enlisted ranks. Commanders, usually in the rank of Captain, can't tell someone of higher rank to follow the regulation, such as our Major. My take with over 30 years of Army service.
by DEB
Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:44 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Military Police
Replies: 65
Views: 8870

Re: Military Police

i8godzilla wrote:
bronco78 wrote:That is no longer the policy.. you must now have the weapon registered PRIOR to coming to the gate. You MUST have the weapon unloaded, locked up out of your reach, you MUST declarer that you have a weapon in the vehicle, and you MUST state what your authorized purpose for entering the instillation with a weapon is.
Understand, that by the time you are at the gate, if you fail any of the requirements, you are in violation and subject to the full gambit of bad stuff happening.

Which part is no longer policy? I believe that I addressed two separate items.
1. "Cutting through" post and entering or exiting the Gatesville Gate
2. Getting authorization to take your weapon to the Sportsman Club

i8godzilla wrote:
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:If you locked your gun and all ammo in the trunk, while on a federal facility, I'm assuming
that this would still not be good enough to avoid arrest. Comments?

SIA
Each installation has separate rules concerning weapons being brought on post/base. As general rule of thumb you cannot normally have a weapon at a military installation. I know that recently at Ft. Hood you could inform the (civilian) security force at the gate that you have a locked up and unloaded firearm if you are only going from one gate to the Gatesville gate or vice-versa--cutting through. This only pertained to those that had installation decals. Do not know if that policy is still in place. When I was a member of the Sportsman Club, you had to go to the Provost Marshal's Office with the S/N, make, and model of each weapon to get a document to bring it back to the PMO for inspection. Once this was complete they issued you another document that allowed you to take the weapon directly to the Sportsman Club and directly off post. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. You still had to declare and most times have the weapon inspected at the gate. Again, you could only go directly to the Sportsman Club and then directly off post. Some days it seemed like I spent more time unloading, locking up, getting inspected, and doing the reverse to leave, than I did shooting. I no longer go to the Sportsman Club.

When I pick my grandkids up, their mother meets me at the gate so I do not have to disarm. Since the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood I refuse to be unarmed if at all possible.
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bronco78 wrote:
RottenApple wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:How did you legally get onto the base with your CHL? I thought most military bases are off-limits to CHL.
I'm pretty sure you can have a CHL and be on a military base. You just can't actually carry.
No sir, ,not correct, Fast way to see cuffs on you and a long day ahead
Please re-read RottenApple's response.
If you enter through a gate, you cannot carry period, unless you meet the requirements I mentioned before. Fort Hood is a large installation there is several areas, where gates (ACPs) are not entered. Kind of grey for those areas, especially with the rewrite of AR 190-11. Don't stop or speed. FH Regulation 190-11 states: This regulation applies to all military personnel, government employees, and all civilians, including Family Members, who store, possess, or use a weapon on Fort Hood. The only exceptions are those specifically set forth in this regulation such as: Persons traveling on or through Fort Hood who do not enter an access control point (ACP) (traveling on Maxdale Road, Shell Mountain Road, etc.) and do not stop to conduct any activity within installation boundaries. The New AR 190-11 states that the carrying of privately owned weapons on Army installations is prohibited unless authorized by the Senior Commander. I explained earlier what the SC will authorize for.
by DEB
Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:29 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Military Police
Replies: 65
Views: 8870

Re: Military Police

i8godzilla wrote:
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:If you locked your gun and all ammo in the trunk, while on a federal facility, I'm assuming
that this would still not be good enough to avoid arrest. Comments?

SIA
Each installation has separate rules concerning weapons being brought on post/base. As general rule of thumb you cannot normally have a weapon at a military installation. I know that recently at Ft. Hood you could inform the (civilian) security force at the gate that you have a locked up and unloaded firearm if you are only going from one gate to the Gatesville gate or vice-versa--cutting through. This only pertained to those that had installation decals. Do not know if that policy is still in place. When I was a member of the Sportsman Club, you had to go to the Provost Marshal's Office with the S/N, make, and model of each weapon to get a document to bring it back to the PMO for inspection. Once this was complete they issued you another document that allowed you to take the weapon directly to the Sportsman Club and directly off post. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. You still had to declare and most times have the weapon inspected at the gate. Again, you could only go directly to the Sportsman Club and then directly off post. Some days it seemed like I spent more time unloading, locking up, getting inspected, and doing the reverse to leave, than I did shooting. I no longer go to the Sportsman Club.

When I pick my grandkids up, their mother meets me at the gate so I do not have to disarm. Since the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood I refuse to be unarmed if at all possible.
+1 to you Sir. Installations could, at one time, have less restrictive policies. Fort Hood prior to November 9, 2009, had very liberal policies for about two years. Now we have returned to full registration, transport only with permission and etc. Also, now with the new AR 190-11 the installations must meet those minimum standards which are: You cannot at any time carry a privately owned weapon, except those folding knives with blades shorter than 3 inches, unless authorized by the Senior Commander. And, only for those activites such as hunting, dog training activities, or marksmanship events. All firearms will be registered prior to bringing on post, registration must remain with the vehicle and in view while transporting, can only transport in the trunk of the vehicle or in another area that is not accessible to the driver or passengers. Can only transport in a direct route to and from. Commercially available trigger locks and other security devices are also recommended. (This will mean the Senior Commander will do more than recommend). Registration is not difficult, go to the VCC with the S/N, make/model of the weapon, don't bring the weapon, fill out the FH Form 190-19, give it back and the weapon is registered. Really just returned to the days before 2007, except that there is not really any grace period and if you are a soldier, commanders have to insure the weapons are stored safely in your on-post quarters. If someone would like an indepth PM me and I can give you a POC that can assist you concerning gate entry, hunting requirements and etc.
by DEB
Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:03 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Military Police
Replies: 65
Views: 8870

Re: Military Police

papajohn1964 wrote:What if you are pulled over by an MP while on a base, unarmed of course, should you show your CHL along with your DL?
I work on Post here at Fort Hood with the DES. If I were you, I wouldn't show your Concealed Carry License with your Drivers License, I am assuming you are unarmed. It would sure inflame the situation as it is illegal to conceal carry, reference AR 190-11, 4-5a(2), or have ready access to a privately owned weapon/ammunition on a Federal Installation. The MP would probably, read gaurantee, detain you, call his/her supervisor, wait for their arrival, you and your vehicle would be searched and due to the holding and searching of both you and your vehicle, you would be blottered. Not good if you intend to come on the installation later on. Cannot conceal carry, at least legally...

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