There are several officers who want you to divulge every piece of info as soon as they are with you. I am of the camp not to disclose any information until asked.
Also, I have read the manual twice now and do not see any where that I have to provide the officer with the CHL until and only if he asks. Is that correct?
Sure they would like for you to tell them...
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- Thu Jun 10, 2010 7:18 pm
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- Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:41 pm
- Forum: New to CHL?
- Topic: When Your Plastic is Approved but Not in Hand.
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When Your Plastic is Approved but Not in Hand.
Recently, on a trip across the state of Texas traveling to Colorado across New Mexico, I was pulled over by a Highway Patrolman. I was doing a touch over the limit and he got me. He asked for the usuals and I gave him my license and insurance. He then went back to his patrol car and ran my license. I was polite, respectful, turned on the overhead light, kept my hands on the stearing wheel, and was not in any way out of line.
He anounced, " Mr. Smith get out of the car. Slowly!" With his hand on the butt of his firearm. He ordered me to come stand at the rear of the car, pointing to the exact spot I should stand. The LEO inquired if there was anything that I wanted to "give him". I replied no. He then (in a very authoritative voice) asked why I was refusing to give him my CHL?
I then exclaimed that I did not have it in hand, that I was not yet aware that it had been printed, and that he just gave me very good news. The entire time he stood with his hand a top his firearm. Made me very nervous. I tried to loosen him up by my attitude, posture, tone, and eye contact. Making a point to stand in a balanced yet no threatening way as I was about 5 inches taller and about 100 lb's heavier.
He asked if I had a gun. I said yes. And promptly added that it was in the car.
He wanted to know the particulars about. So I shared everything about the gun with him. He went to the car and came back after about 20 min. He told me that the card had printed at midnight and that it would be best If I told any other officers that I was transporting a fire arm and that I had a CHL that was printed today and it was in the mail but not in hand. He told me that it isn't wise to carry in the car. Also, I should not have any bullets in the gun let alone one in the chamber. On and on he went about the nature of how I was to handle and store a gun. I kept nodding and smiling. Adding thanks for the information officer and I have considered that, but I'll give it more attention now.
He then wrote me a ticket. I think he wrote me the ticket because I did not tell him that I had a gun in the car. He wrote it for the MAX and ended it with next time tell the officer you have weapon in the car.
So... I thought that any person could legally keep a firearm loaded in a car and not have tell the LEO of its presence. Why would the fact that I had applied for a CHL and not yet recieved the issued card make it any different for me?
He anounced, " Mr. Smith get out of the car. Slowly!" With his hand on the butt of his firearm. He ordered me to come stand at the rear of the car, pointing to the exact spot I should stand. The LEO inquired if there was anything that I wanted to "give him". I replied no. He then (in a very authoritative voice) asked why I was refusing to give him my CHL?
I then exclaimed that I did not have it in hand, that I was not yet aware that it had been printed, and that he just gave me very good news. The entire time he stood with his hand a top his firearm. Made me very nervous. I tried to loosen him up by my attitude, posture, tone, and eye contact. Making a point to stand in a balanced yet no threatening way as I was about 5 inches taller and about 100 lb's heavier.
He asked if I had a gun. I said yes. And promptly added that it was in the car.
He wanted to know the particulars about. So I shared everything about the gun with him. He went to the car and came back after about 20 min. He told me that the card had printed at midnight and that it would be best If I told any other officers that I was transporting a fire arm and that I had a CHL that was printed today and it was in the mail but not in hand. He told me that it isn't wise to carry in the car. Also, I should not have any bullets in the gun let alone one in the chamber. On and on he went about the nature of how I was to handle and store a gun. I kept nodding and smiling. Adding thanks for the information officer and I have considered that, but I'll give it more attention now.
He then wrote me a ticket. I think he wrote me the ticket because I did not tell him that I had a gun in the car. He wrote it for the MAX and ended it with next time tell the officer you have weapon in the car.
So... I thought that any person could legally keep a firearm loaded in a car and not have tell the LEO of its presence. Why would the fact that I had applied for a CHL and not yet recieved the issued card make it any different for me?