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puma guy wrote:39 CFR 232.1
(l) Weapons and explosives. Notwithstanding the provisions of any other law, rule or regulation, no person while on postal property may carry firearms, other dangerous or deadly weapons, or explosives, either openly or concealed, or store the same on postal property, except for official purposes.

Notwithstanding Title 18, United States Code, Section 930 as I understand the language.
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

The sign posted at my post office cites both. Federal facilities is defined as anywhere federal employees carry out their official duties.
I'll leave anyone to make their own interpretation. I'll leave mine in the truck when I enter a US Post Office.

On a bricks and mortar building clearly says post office, there is no difference in our approach. But I deliberately do not go to places like that. In the case of a "real" post office, I either don't park in their lot or I don't have my gun in my vehicle. But in the past 3 years, I'll bet I've only made that visit 3 times.

jbarn wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:

jbarn wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:Hey, even if the guess is wrong and some jackwagon decides it is postal property, it is a $50 fine.

I am not worried about a $50 fine.

How about the 30 days in jail?

A lot of things would have to go very wrong for me to get to that point. I'm coming up on license renewal and have been carrying daily since about 2 months after I got my plastic. I've pushed the "bulge" limits on shirts pretty far and have never heard a peep out of anyone. Most of the time, there isn't even the slightest bump. So:

1. I would have to do something stupid and let my shirt ride up to actually show something.
2. At that precise moment, the proper authority figure is going to have to be there and instantly decide to arrest me. The dry cleaning place is pretty small and I'm usually in and out in less than 2 minutes. I like it because there is hardly ever a line and I'm prepared with everything I need before I walk in the door, even if I'm going to do something like a certified letter.

Those are pretty long odds. I'll take 'em.

OK. So you intentionally break the law as long as it is not "too serious" in your mind, and your chances if getting caught are "pretty slim" in your mind. Gotcha.

I do not believe that I'm breaking the law or I wouldn't do it. Just because someone else has a different and tighter interpretation does not make them correct. There have been a number of people arrested for things that were not violations of the laws. Let's look the the video situations in MD as an example. People were arrested and later acquitted because they hadn't broken any laws but the police said that they had. I won't even start on the TSA situations.

I believe that the Federal government has a proliferation of "law enforcement". Many of them appear to be zealots. That leaves me vulnerable, not just at my local dry cleaners over carrying a firearm but at many other places and for many other things. I was simply saying that in the grander scheme of false arrests - and that's what I believe that it would be - I'm willing to take my chances on it. I also believe that it would be a false arrest if I were to be arrested under a non-compliant 30.06 sign. The Grapevine chief of police does not agree with my interpretation of that situation. I really don't see that and the dry cleaner/post office situation differently.

jbarn wrote:

Jumping Frog wrote:Hey, even if the guess is wrong and some jackwagon decides it is postal property, it is a $50 fine.

I am not worried about a $50 fine.

How about the 30 days in jail?

A lot of things would have to go very wrong for me to get to that point. I'm coming up on license renewal and have been carrying daily since about 2 months after I got my plastic. I've pushed the "bulge" limits on shirts pretty far and have never heard a peep out of anyone. Most of the time, there isn't even the slightest bump. So:

1. I would have to do something stupid and let my shirt ride up to actually show something.
2. At that precise moment, the proper authority figure is going to have to be there and instantly decide to arrest me. The dry cleaning place is pretty small and I'm usually in and out in less than 2 minutes. I like it because there is hardly ever a line and I'm prepared with everything I need before I walk in the door, even if I'm going to do something like a certified letter.

Those are pretty long odds. I'll take 'em.

puma guy wrote:Just the portion of the store leased or operated by the post office is off limits from my understanding, the rest of the building is not. If a PO is in a strip center it's off limits but not the other businesses nor the parking lot. Bonidy vs USPS in July 2013 ruled the prohibition of firearms and weapons did not apply to PO parking lots. Also the law requires Federal buildings and parking lots be posted. 18 USC Sec. 930 01/03/2007 Title 18

IANAL so if I'm incorrect - Need lawyer input HERE.

I've been to Fischer Store up by Canyon Lake and there's a PO inside, but I saw no posting.
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I don't know the right answer. But here is the way that I approach it until I hear something more definitive. The prohibition on firearms is Federal property. I have a local drycleaner who has a postal desk that takes up less than 15% of her floor space. There is no need for me to go behind the postal desk and the front of the desk is the direct pathway to her drycleaning desk. I think that a position could be taken that she is a sub-contractor to the USPS and that none of her building is Federal property.

Of course, there is a rule that says that my mailbox is Federal property, too, and according to that I would be unable to carry and pick up my own mail in front of my own house. I'm willing to take that risk.