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There is also a sort of backwards pride associated with it in certain corners, as well. It's not the pride of accomplishment, or really even of a group, but a reflexively wounded pride that takes glory in being discriminated against, the sort of thing that actually -draws- malingerers and only makes the public scorn and stigma worse.

I'm not sure about that. Having watched it as an observer, much of the mental health process that we have, at least in the Dallas area, is woefully inadequate. And there are many in it who genuinely need help but are not getting it. The drugs involved (example SSRIs) are more of a trial and error process as the doctors attempt to find one or a combination that works for an individual That trial and error can take years. I never personally observed the malingering types. Usually it was deniers - those who would only tacitly accept the fact that they had a problem worthy of treatment.

I submit that the treatment of mental patients in our society occurs in much the same way as we treat those with autism or Downs syndrome. There seems to be an inferiority stigma attached to them. Many who are autistic or who suffer from clinical depression can be extraordinarily bright but because they cannot always channel their mental gifts in conformance, they get no credit for them.

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Instead of trying to prevent mass-shooting attacks and spree killers through removal of quantifiable rights, we need to address the issue through human behavior, which is both cause and solution to the problem. Eliminate victim disarmament zones. Heap scorn on the killers for their actions, instead of heaping sympathy on them for their presumed illnesses. Promote morals, values, and rights, all individual characteristics, instead of allowing people to shift blame onto some claimed or verified illness. The illness didn't make them do it; they chose to. Accept people are capable of doing evil for completely rational, sane thoughts; accept that evil people do evil because they wanted to, instead of blaming something else. Call evil "evil."

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THIS! From the Luby's shooting forward, the vast majority of mass shootings have been in gun free zones.

I still cannot get over the disparity between fire protect that we accept in society versus the almost total lack of acceptance of the possibility of mass killers. OK, I do realize that fires happen a lot more often than mass shootings but part of any risk analysis has to be the consequences if the risk is realized.

In many situations, the person who commits some vile act had been receiving treatment, had prescribed medication to take and personally elected to stop that medication. From there on, what happens is their fault. Period. While the exact action and the timing of it cannot be predicted, the fact that they may do something can be. Don't take that further than it needs to go. I don't advocate State forced medication. It still remains an individual responsibility.

As as society, the best thing that we can do is to remove the stigma attached to mental problems. If someone admits publicly to having cancer, the reaction is far different than if they said they were bi-polar.

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mojo84 wrote: comment was directed more generally than to this particular case. I still think if the lady had documentation she was only passing through and her departure was imminent, what would it hurt to let her pass on through? At some point, common sense has to play a part.

Common sense and government are mutually exclusive.. Besides, I'm sure someone wanted to break up their day and deny entry..

The most ludicrous part of this is that the same government responsible for the decision against this women is out begging others to come and stay here illegally, even offering them financial benefits to do it. I know for a fact that many of are bringing in worse problems than depression.