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by chasfm11
Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:22 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Texas A&M professor: "Repeal 2A"
Replies: 45
Views: 4889

Re: Texas A&M professor: "Repeal 2A"

cb1000rider wrote:
mojo84 wrote:Tenure creates another protected class of elites that is not necessary.
When did you "earn" your tenure?
Most protected classes, IMHO, earned their status at one time or another. Protecting classes that don't need protecting doesn't have a strong historical basis. The problem is that we continue protecting them forever.

I think it's a bit like having unions. Generally, industries that got one unions deserved what they got at one time or another. When that changes years down the road, it's a bit hard to shake off - part of why Detroit got so screwed up a few years back. Paying guys $100k to do assembly line work with pensions, and heathcare / legal resources for life gets really expensive. No offense to our auto industry workers intended.

Academia is largely a place for liberal ideas. That's just how it is. Remember that some of these liberal ideas have had their place in history and contributed to the basis of our country too... Slavery, equality for women, property ownership rights - these were all "liberal" ideas at one time.

There are certainly tenure riding conservative professors, admittedly not as many. Trying to balance academia more towards the conservative side is not going to happen. You can't do that any more than you could balance leadership in conservative institutions like churches.
Good ideas come from both Liberals and Conservatives. The idea of having two different types of thinking helps us, not hurts us. The opposing point of few tends to temper the excesses of each side. What I object to is the intolerance from both sides and, right now, the Liberal academics have a corner on that market. There is no reason for the inmates to be running the asylum. :evil2:
by chasfm11
Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:13 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Texas A&M professor: "Repeal 2A"
Replies: 45
Views: 4889

Re: Texas A&M professor: "Repeal 2A"

oohrah wrote:There are also conservative professors who enjoy tenure. You can't have it both ways. For example, there is serious research studying the statistical probabilities of intelligent design. I doubt many east coast universities would tolerate that.

Certainly there always a few bad apples in any system, but tenure exists to protect the academic freedom of the individual, inspire new uncharted research, and allows the researcher to obtain external funding (which the university takes a cut) that it might not get otherwise. There are always provisions to fire someone with tenure, but expressing an opinion is not one of them.

I reccognize that we are disagreeing with her opnion, but not denying her right to say it. But blaming it on the tenure system is not relevant. Major universities do not exist just to teach undergraduates, and they rely on the tenure system to attract and keep quality people. Professors "earn" tenure through a long process of performance and evaluation, so it is not just "given". There are universities that only teach undergradutes and do not grant tenure at all. They are successful in what they do as well, but they have different goals.

Like I said, it is not a perfect system, but it has its place. You can always vote with your feet, or your money.
I'm want to find many tenured professors who are openly Conservative. I would submit that the tenure system actually accomplishes the opposite - it suppresses academic freedom because it institutionalizes the Liberal ideology. Of all of the major institutions where tenure is used, I ask for six examples where the majority of those who are tenured are Conservative. The Hillsdale Colleges are far and few between.

There is a reason for this. Conservative principles are deemed to be passe among the "enlightened". Like the career politicians (and the level of politics in most large educational institutions is mind boggling) the career academics use their power to stifle opposing thought.

For me, the argument for tenure is very much like the Chicago approach to gun control. It starts with a universally accepted idea - that there is too much gun violence. Then it twists the "solution" into a set of rules and actions the withdraw individual freedoms and promote both an ideology and continued governance by those who hold it.

I have a good friend who received his doctorate. He is extremely talented. Early in his career, he learned that he had to hide his Conservative political feelings in order to be even considered for a position on a university staff. He is now the head of department. If they found out that he is a Conservative, they would fire him tomorrow. That is NOT academic freedom.
by chasfm11
Sat Nov 16, 2013 9:59 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Texas A&M professor: "Repeal 2A"
Replies: 45
Views: 4889

Re: Texas A&M professor: "Repeal 2A"

She said she was shocked that the country has not yet reached a threshold for gun violence
“I think I’m in agreement with you and, unfortunately, drastic times require drastic measures,” Penrose said. “. . . I think the Second Amendment is misunderstood and I think it’s time today, in our drastic measures, to repeal and replace that Second Amendment.”
She could have just come out and said "I think it's time to ban all guns." The time that has really come is for Liberal professors to explain exactly how countries like Norway that have already banned guns continue to have gun related massacres and, more specifically, what the 100,000s of people who protect themselves with a firearm every year are supposed to do when she is through with her banning. But that won't happen. What will happen is that she and her ilk will continue to cherry pick events and use them to justify their fruitcake ideas.

Notably absent at the event was anyone to challenge her misconceptions.

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