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Vol Texan wrote:This is such a long thread now, so I don't know if this has been mentioned yet...

Apparently there were several off-duty NYPD officers among the mob of bikers, and not a single one intervened to stop this from happening.

One of them may have been undercover, and feared exposing himself. I don't know enough about his situation to challenge his decision, but the others' inaction (if they were simply off-duty, and not undercover) is absolutely unforgivable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ttack.html

Another interesting question is: were any of the off duty officers participating in the rampant and repetitive violations of the traffic laws that are detailed in the videos? Since they were present at the beat down, they must have been part of the group that chased down the SUV.
If they were on official undercover business with the gang and had to go along with the gang to maintain their relationship with it, that's one thing. If they are voluntary members of the gang and pulled all of those traffic violation stunts, that is quite another.

o b juan wrote:I remember seeing a series of photos in the 70's houston either the houston post or houston chronicle of a trucker yjay was being intimidated by a idiot biker on I think a Harley pulled of on 610 and the idiot biker pulled in behind him, trucker got out and walked back to the Idiot and ripped his helmet or hat off and cold cocked him of the bike got back in truck and left .

not all Harley drivers are this stupid but to many old farts that have H>D's are .. They think people are intimidated because they are on a harley >> Marlon Brando id Dead-- and so are MC guys.

My wife, my granddaughter and I, through our own bad planning, ended up in Rapid City, SD the week before the Sturgis rally. Because of a pair of vehicle breakdowns, we got to stay there through the week of the rally. In case you have never seen it, the rally includes 10s, of 1,000s of H-Ds (and some others).

We spent nearly 2 weeks in exactly the same situation as the SUV driver - a single vehicle surrounded by 10s of MCs. Not once did I feel threatened or intimidated. Yes, to some, the attire of some [abbreviated profanity deleted] the H-D riders might seem intimidating but I got a chance to talk to many of them and they are wonderful people. We drove the Needles highway through Custer State Park and I was often asked to take pictures of groups of MC riders. I'm not saying the Sturgis rally is crime free or that bad things don't sometimes happen. What I am saying is that it isn't the same as this situation. I don't own a H-D, have never ridden one and do not plan to.

The difference? I was on the roads with the H-D riders. They obeyed the laws and didn't act like the punks on the video's crotch rockets. There was no blocking traffic, riding the burms, cutting and weaving in among traffic and never once did a group of them do anything to try to intimidate me. It was SD. I knew that most of them had guns and I had mine. It is was another case of an armed society being a polite society. Another important point: many of the H-Ds are ex-military and American flags were everywhere. They are a very patriotic group.
No way are the punks in the video the same as the Patriot Guard or Rolling Thunder.

On a personal level, I feel sorry for the MC guy who is paralyzed. But his actions and the actions of the group that he elected to ride with are responsible for his injury, not the SUV driver. When you try to impose anarchy on the public, you are responsible for anything that happens to you. I listened to the reports that said that the SUV driver didn't "need" to do what he did. I don't see that differently than someone telling me that I don't "need" a gun for self-protection. Self-protection is a basic human right.

Robert*PPS wrote:The video is 6 minutes long, and if the whole thing was started by a 911 call, that means the authorities were aware of the situation and had not gotten involved after 6 plus minutes! That is the disturbing thing to me.

While this is from 2012, I doubt if things have changed much in 2013

http://www.metro.us/newyork/news/local/ ... lls-slows/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The average response time of 2012 was 9.1 minutes, according to the report.

And NYC PD has a lot more important stuff to do than worry about the SUV family situation

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/2013093 ... -manhattan

Everyone knows that parachutists are potential terrorists.

First, this was in Manhattan so all thoughts about using a gun to defend yourself are out the window.

Second, the RR driver only ran over the bike after they surrounded him and started beating on his car.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/pac ... -1.1471585

ut when Lien — who was driving his wife, Rosalyn, and their 2-year-old child — stopped, several bikers began to damage his SUV. Lien fled, striking one biker.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/pac ... z2gQNxzPo5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Once he made the decision to flee, he needed to treat every approaching biker as a threat. He chose not to. Without some other means of self-defense available, his vehicle was his only chance. He elected not to use it in that way. It could have gone a lot worse than him being beaten.

This is the anarchy that is NYC. There have been a couple of similar incidents in Dallas. I'm all for bikers and if they want to ride in groups, that is fine, too. They can do stupid tricks and even stop traffic. The line is crossed, however, when there are a lot of them and they decide to take aggressive action toward an uninvolved motorist. I would stop completely and let them pass. If they stopped, too, and started attacking me, I'd assume it to be a lethal threat and act accordingly. That RR could have been a mighty weapon.

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