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It will be interesting to see into which category this one falls

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law ... and/nXXKw/

FBI, local police conducting massive sweep in Oakland

FBI agents, local police SWAT and the California Highway Patrol were targeting multiple locations.

If I remember correctly, Oakland has had an ongoing gang problem.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Well the actions taken by the LEO's were certainly out of the norm, and not desirable from a purely
Constitutional viewpoint.

So what are most of you advocating... that the Boston LEO's should have just gone back to their police station for coffee
and donuts and waited for the bomber brothers to turn themselves in? Sheesh.

They did a manhunt for proven killers, they had a 200 or more round shootout, they killed one of them, and captured
the other one. All in only 4 days from the time of the explosions.

Some people wouldn't be happy if they got hung with a new rope. :-)

SIA

I see it differently.

1. For all of the fancy gear and surveillance that goes on, it was one of the victims who told them who they they needed to look for. So, like the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber, it was the general public, not the massed forces that was critical to the solution.
2. The whole manhunt appears to the been run like the TSA - pick on the innocent civilians because it is too hard to actually find the BGs. Let's kick in doors instead of enlisting the public's help beyond showing the photos on TV.
3. The actual shootout description hasn't made sense to me. The claim is that the younger brother ran over the old brother while LE was trying to handcuff him. Given the manpower present, how could that happen? I know that they desperately wanted to take them alive. Two BGs with a limited number of weapons seem to have held their own against a superior number of highly trained forces with better weapons. How did that happen?
4. If the account is to be believed, it was the guy who owned the boat where terrorist #2 was hiding the tipped off the authorities and gave LE a place to surround.

I'm not OK with the TSA patting down little girls in the name of protecting them. I'm not OK with LE taking a mass punishment approach and pointing guns at civilians while trying to find BGs. The us and them is between the American people and these creeps that want to blow up kids. It is not between LE and the American people. To the extent that actions taken make things look like the latter and not the former, the are wrong. This is not Beziers.

I personally would have been fine with seeing the younger creep hung with a new rope on the spot. The chances of getting any actionable intelligence out of him are about as good as my being hit by a meteorite - twice, based on the approach that is being used.

While I'm on a rant, let me throw in this question: why is the 8 year old who was killed by the bomber less of a victim than the kids at Sandy Hook? The answer is because he doesn't do anything to advance a political agenda and his death, because of those who are responsible for it, is a deterrent to that political agenda. That is just wrong.

anygunanywhere wrote:

jmra wrote:How exactly did it fail? Do you actually believe the purpose of this exercise was to catch a 19 year old fugitive?

"Yesterday a major US city – perhaps as many as 1 million people – was put under martial law...And Bostonians cheered them for it. Some even called for a parade to honor the men who treated them like prisoners in their own homes."

I believe the people who engineered this constitutional heresy are celebrating a huge win. Now they know that they can fabricate news that will cause Americans to roll over and play dead while goons dressed in black come in and do whatever they wish.

This was just an exercise, an excursion to see how far TPTB could push their way into trampling the Constitution. This was a trial run for the declaration of martial law.

I agree. It was a win for TPTB, a failure on the part of the peasants.

Anygunanywhere

Unfortunately, there have been many more "wins". Every time the TSA has pushed the envelope, the public has been trained to accept it under the guise of security. It seems almost magical how the weakest, smallest and most frail among the flying public have been targeted and how the conduct of confiscating recording equipment and destroying pictures has also been tolerated.