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VMI77 wrote:Udate: http://www.wgal.com/news/30301618/detail.html

He was their THIRD victim of the day. They pinned against a fence. They were on probation....one of them was wearing an electronic monitor.

Of course. PA needs to maintain its recidivism rate and what better to do it than with juveniles. They are just misguided (in this case three times worth of mis-guiding in the same day.)

It sounds like the victim was shooting from a retention position. I don't think that PA has the same protection as TX regarding civil suits. I hope this poor victim doesn't have to defend himself on one of those on top of the incident.

Dave2 wrote:Does that matter? I know we can't carry inside school buildings and I know we can carry outside on school property, but I didn't realize that carrying on school grounds while kids are present was off-limits.

It may not. I am just not personally willing to take that chance. I've already been challenged by the principal at the one school for being there. The public trail goes across the school bus path behind the buildings. I listened to him less than 30 seconds before I recognized the Napoleon complex, D.ED mentality (I used to be a teacher). He would call LE in a heartbeat. Then, it is up to the responding officer to interpret whether "organized activity" includes the kids being out on the playground.

The general consensus on this board seems to be that you are OK if you are on school property in your car. Once you step out of the car, all bets are off. My bike makes it a lot more of a "squishy" situation than I want.

At the second school (a middle school), the teachers turn the kids loose on the public trails for Phys Ed and they can be up to a 1/2 mile from the actual school. Again, it is the "organized activity" part the bugs me, even though logically I cannot be responsible if I run into a crowd of them and something happens. Our town LE is run by the book and the traffic groups are really citation happy. It would be my luck to end up dealing with an LEO with an axe to grid. I'm sure that I could beat it eventually but it might be an expensive process. The fact that I ride there 3 times a week and "could have or should have known" about the wondering PE class is just a little too high on the risk scale for me.

Pawpaw wrote:How about a 5.11 Tactical Holster Shirt?

If you get the right size, it will hold the gun tight to your side. You can easily carry a full size pistol and a couple of spare mags (under the other arm) and forget they're there. Just use a zippered sweatshirt jacket (hoodie?) to cover it up.

Just be sure to get it much smaller than your normal size. I'm 6' tall and 260 pounds. I normally wear a 2X T-shirt (3X for concealment). My Holster Shirts are XL. I tried a 2X and it is just a bit too loose, with the weight of the pistol pulling on it.

It looks like a great option. How about a couple of questions:

1. Most of the time that I would have a concealment issue, it would in the Summer. A zippered sweatshirt is definitely not going to work for me then as a cover garment.
2. How well does the pistol stay put in the pocket? I deliberately pump several hills during my rides and that means standing on the pedals. There is a lot of body movement. A pistol sliding around on my side would likely make me nervous.
3. It says that it wicks moisture away. That is good. But I normally soak a regular t-shirt during my rides. If tactical shirt gets that wet, how does it feel? I hate the feel clammy stuff up tight against my skin when I'm dripping wet. I've skied and used the polyproph underwear under lots of layers on the slopes. I was every bit as wet then as I get on the bike and the poly didn't bother me.

n5wd wrote:

chasfm11 wrote:3. With the fabric type holster, I could still use a light t-shirt where the holster fabric might show through and not be worried. I worry about leather holsters under light bike clothing as being too much of a contrast.

Most of the tech-ware bicycle jerseys being sold today (moisture wicking fabric to keep the chafing and body temp down) are dye-sublimated coloring, so that the jersey is not very, if at all, transparent. Helps to hide body parts that most folks would prefer not be visible, on themselves at least.

I don't have any of the really fancy bike clothing. I have body parts (my expansive middle) that are best handled with a "concealment" garment.

LSL wrote:Perhaps weather was too cold in Reading, Pennsylvania, for Spandex. Perhaps bicyclist victim was jacketed with pistol in a pocket.

"Riding" five years behind him in age, I will ponder more closely how to safely CCW while riding.

I would welcome realistic suggestions be added to the thread.

I don't have any specific suggestions but I can tell what I've thought about.

1. On body is the only way I would go. The bike bags that I've seen appear to be just too difficult to get to in an actual event. As in this specific situation, I believe that a bag gun would be unavailable when needed.
2. I have a Kangaroo carry. I like it but even with the limited movement going to church with it has had the shoulder strap fall off. I know now why the leather shoulder holsters are for both shoulders and have a high strap in the back in between. If I were designing my own, I'd use the Kangaroo carry material approach but expand it to the opposite shoulder, too. The Kangaroo retention strap seems like it would work with my LCP. I won't try to hide a 1911 in this kind of a setup.
3. With the fabric type holster, I could still use a light t-shirt where the holster fabric might show through and not be worried. I worry about leather holsters under light bike clothing as being too much of a contrast.

Just my $.02

saltydog452 wrote:I'd like to understand how, what, and where the rider carried and had access to, a defensive tool like a handgun.

Carrying a concealed pistol while wearing a Speedo suit and bump hat while all hunched over on a cycle would seem to be a challenge. I'd be interested to know how it was done.

salty

I still wouldn't carry on many of my rides because I have to cross two school yard and often when kids are on them. Still, it would be interesting to know how this guy was packin.
I don't do spandex (out of consideration for public decency) but I find biking attire and all of the bouncing around that I do a real challenge.