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For me, the reductio ad absurdum aspect of this is the degree to which the organization running the State Farm must adhere to ANY of the the rules of the City of Dallas. If they are truly an independent situation, then none of the Dallas specific laws and rules must be adhered to. But I'm wiling to bet that many of Dallas's regulated areas are adhered to and even inspected by Dallas employed people with consequences to the State Fair organization if compliance is not complete and correct. As soon as the organization is under the control of the Dallas government for anything, it is under that control for everything. I would start that argument with the Dallas Police. Dallas PD is there enforcing laws as set by the City of Dallas. I believe food vendors are the same and probably the rides are controlled as well. It might even go as far as livestock. Otherwise, the State Fair organization is half-pregnant.

ScottDLS wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 4:22 pm

The fairgrounds property IS public property, belonging to the City of Dallas, and they cannot charge you with Trespass. However, they will have private security physically prevent you from entering armed. And there will be nothing you can do about it.

Perhaps it is just me but the latter part of the statement raises some interesting philosophical concepts. Private security is "mercenaries. The elected leaders of Dallas already have a law enforcement arm - the Dallas Police - who are paid by the tax payers to enforce State and local laws. If the City can hire a private firm who hires mercenaries, what is the limit of that power? Perhaps, to properly identify them, the mercenaries should wear Red Shirts. The slope gets very slippery, very fast.

anygunanywhere wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 2:28 pm

Caliber wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2024 9:30 am Here's the deal: The State Fair probably can't exclude gun carriers pursuant to Texas gun laws. However, they can trespass you and they don't need a reason. I don't believe the property is "public property" since is leased by a non-governmental entity.

You are probably correct.

I’m not picking at nits in your statement but am thinking about the overall logic.

If the state fair cannot legally exclude gun carriers from entering then why is it possible to legally trespass them out? Does not make sense! Citizens legally exercising their RKBA where they are legally allowed to be and not doing anything to meet the standards of breaking any law should be allowed entry and th fair should not be able to do anything to prevent it.

How much of the legal and regulatory system in the State of Texas changes in regard to a property when someone leases it from a governmental entity? The reason that I ask is an incident with the City of Lewisville a few years ago when they fenced off the downtown area and turned it over to a "vendor" who installed wand security guards at the entrances. Or the City of Grapevine who posted 30.06 signs at the entrances to their fenced off downtown events. This is not the first time for this sort of thing and, in my mind at least, the results are mixed on the outcomes.