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by chasfm11
Tue Jul 11, 2023 12:41 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Obtaining Permission letters from Corps of Engineers
Replies: 27
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Re: Obtaining Permission letters from Corps of Engineers

Tex1961 wrote: Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:45 am
ORIGINAL TEX wrote: Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:07 pm Good luck. As a matter of course they do not give out such permission letters.
Please tell us your source of information. Every person I’ve recommended writing a letter to get permission has done so and received said permission within a very short amount of time.
:iagree: :iagree: :iagree: I received mine in short order and have sent two others to do the same thing I did. They both got quick responses. Regarding Lake Whitney on another post, I think that getting the letter of permission is so easy, I would do it even if it hasn't arrived by the time that you want to go. FYI, I scanned my letter and dumped it on my phone. I can bring it up if I need to but don't expect to need that. It is more insurance than anything.
by chasfm11
Thu Sep 01, 2022 5:08 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Obtaining Permission letters from Corps of Engineers
Replies: 27
Views: 27372

Re: Obtaining Permission letters from Corps of Engineers

I wrote to the office of the Corp of Engineers, Ft. Worth District on August 6th and today, received a response from them dated August 23rd.
1. I'm granted concealed carry (only) on all of the 25 projects included in the Ft. Worth District
2. It is good for 5 years or unless /until 36 C.F.R 327.13(a) is revised.
3. There are other conditions which the permission is withdrawn for violations of State or Federal laws.
4. It does not include the buildings. Of course, the only Federal buildings that I know about are to offices, I cannot image that the building prohibition extends to the bathrooms in the campgrounds.

I view this a good news because we can now (again) use the COE camping in places lIke Georgetown and Lake Whitney. I really enjoyed the State Park at Lake Whitney but, unlike Joe Pool, there were so separate lands that was part of the State control as there are at Cedar Hill

This is a band-aide on a wound for me. I'm really sorry that President Trump didn't see fit to make Nesbit permanent across the country. When we traveled by RV, we liked to stay at the COE parks. With my National Park pass, those campgrounds are very inexpensive. The letter is very specific - only the Ft. Worth District.
by chasfm11
Sat Sep 25, 2021 5:39 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Obtaining Permission letters from Corps of Engineers
Replies: 27
Views: 27372

Re: Obtaining Permission letters from Corps of Engineers

couzin wrote: Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:38 pm
There was a bit of pushback from rank and file as well as senior recreation management. I seriously doubt it was held in anticipation of a potential democratic potus. The whole recreation/operations side of the Corps is kinda schizophrenic. The rangers and management have historically been an interpretive and recreation oriented group. Even the adoption of the Ranger uniform was a bit of a battle, assigning citation authority was even controversial. The Corps was doing all they could to avoid looking or acting like law enforcement. Times have changed. The Corps is hard core not wanting to authorize a contingent of Ranger law enforcement such as the NPS, BLM, USFS, FWS, has - simple because the Corps is not in that part of the business - but it may get forced on them. The job is tough enough being unarmed and dealing with poachers in the middle of the night, the occasional meth head, or the mess of a domestic dispute at a campsite, without the added weight of the possibility that everyone in the campground, or on a boat, is armed and the Ranger has nothing but verbal judo, some defensive moves, and pepper spray. I am not arguing good guys with guns here. The Corps is just trying to navigate some very murky waters and maintain the concept that Corps lands and waters are places to take your family and feel safe. They are great folks and will do the right thing, it just may take some time.
My problem is not with the rank and file staff of any of the Federal bureaucracy - it is with the management.

The statement "without the added weight of the possibility that everyone in the campground, or in a boat" personally rankles me. I'm both an RVer and a sailboater. Like the LTC community, both of those groups are historically more law abiding than than general public by a wide margin. I've literally been all over the country in both of those and never had problems with my fellow boaters or RVers. But both can be magnets for outsiders who want to prey on them. Whatever empathy I feel for the Corps rangers, I extend to the people I know personally who have been victimized - as I was - by roaming criminals. I have hundreds of nights camping and have yet to see a domestic dispute, I have personally experienced breakins and thefts and know of others who have suffered the same way.

Nesbitt was a long time ago and the slow roll is definitely happening. I have no hope at all that with the current leadership, anything will ever happen to restore the right of self-protection that the Corps management has stripped away. Perhaps I'm just overly sensitive but I'm tired of the Corps management extending the Democratic Party talking point that because criminals exist in the world, I cannot defend myself.

To be fair, my ire doesn't only extend to the Corps. I was to a funeral at the National Cemetery in Dallas this past week. Bigger than life on the gates to that facility is a "no guns" sign. That means that I'm disarmed on the way there and the way back. I can drive to Wyoming and carry my defensive pistol all over Yellowstone National Park but cannot even have it in the car in my own home State. This "stuff" just doesn't make any sense, at least to me.

P.S. As a recreational sailboater and leader of a local sailing club on Lake Grapevine, I got to deal with the predatory practices of monopoly management company of the marinas on Lake Grapevine. The Corp management liked that because they only had one vendor to deal with. When we complained to the Corps about the overt control that the vendor was placing on the use of the lake, the attorneys for the vendor sent letters to any complainer threatening legal action because of "tortous (tort law) interference in their contract with the Corpw". I personally went to the Ft. Worth District Commander's office. His response was "I'm in the flood control management business."
by chasfm11
Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:36 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Obtaining Permission letters from Corps of Engineers
Replies: 27
Views: 27372

Re: Obtaining Permission letters from Corps of Engineers

couzin wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:37 pm
Greybeard wrote: Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:42 amThe original poster indicated that policy changes are in the works to make things similar to what was done with national parks.
The proposed revision published 13 Apr 2020 was withdrawn 26 Apr 2021. The regulation is unchanged.
:iagree: This is my understanding, too. We are exactly where we are before Nesbitt

Rant on:
President Trump could have fixed this with no more effort than swatting a fly - by issuing an executive order that all of the COE had to comply with Nesbitt. It sticks in my craw that Federal Judges continue to issue rulings that apply to the whole country and yet Nesbitt was only applied to one District. To me, there is no more weak kneed argument than the COE rangers not being armed as the reason to deny the rest of us access to land within our State where we are licensed simply because the COE controls the waterflow on that land.

I drive over Grapevine dam several times a week. I'm officially breaking the law every time that I do while carrying. I get it that there is no enforcement but that further underscores the lunacy of the regulation. There is no way that the current lunacy in power is going to erase this lunacy.
Rant off:

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