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by O6nop
Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:28 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Procedure at the state capitol
Replies: 49
Views: 6587

Re: Procedure at the state capitol

texas1234 wrote:Gemini, you mean this convenience store worker with bullet proof glass surrounding him, yeah the hard working wives, daughters, sons, and even those that serve in our military that work at the capitol dont have this.

I agree, that particular debate is inconsequential because it involves private business options using their own money to install safety measures vs my concern over government controls using taxpayer dollars and affecting rights. Employees don't have the same rights to expect something from their employer, they can work somewhere else if they aren't satisfied with conditions. We have a built in structure meant to preserve our rights and we need to take advantage of that.
texas1234 wrote:This debate is stupid! Over and out!
And you chose to be a part of it, yes?
by O6nop
Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:06 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Procedure at the state capitol
Replies: 49
Views: 6587

Re: Procedure at the state capitol

Here's a reality check.
You can carry a long gun into the Capitol and you don't need any kind of license, concealed or otherwise, to do it. So the metal detectors deter nothing. They have to let you pass. Even if you are not a model citizen.
So we open it up to the next step - ban long guns. Nice! But there is great news.... ummm, maybe not.

ETA: Which brings up another point -
Keith B wrote:
Per state law there cannot be a CHL exemption unless the legislature is in session and posted 30.06. So, they will have to provide a method for a CHL'er to carry past the metal detectors.
This didn't stop APD from announcing that anyone carrying a long gun at the 2nd Amendment march will be arrested although it is perfectly legal
by O6nop
Wed Apr 14, 2010 2:38 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Procedure at the state capitol
Replies: 49
Views: 6587

Re: Procedure at the state capitol

texas1234 wrote:I just talked to a few staff members at the Capitol who are pro-gun and pro-chl. They do not want to see access denied to CHL holders, but like me they completely agree something needed to be done about the security up there, it has been dismal for a very long time, and it wasnt just one incident it has been numerous incidents where security has failed in even the most basic forms, and it is not fair to the staff for them to work in a high profile atmosphere like a State Capitol and not have more protection and be completely open to any crazy person who wants to walk in their office and do damage. I understand everyones view on not wanting the State to start imposing locks and chains on everything, but the reality is we dont live in that world and something needed to be done up there to enhance security and help protect the visitors, staff, and legislators. I do understand the metal detectors are not fool proof but they definately help. The Marine in me says its about time and thank goodness they are at least trying to do something before somebody gets hurt. On a purely ideological level no I dont want metal detectors but the common sense part of me says you dont have a choice.
Am I just beating a dead horse here? We don't 'live in that world' because we are letting the government take it away. And the question that never seems to get answered is why is it more important to protect these people inside the building then leave them to fend for themselves once they set foot outside? If the answer is "because they can", then where will it stop?
"pro-gun" and "pro-chl" seem to have different meanings to everyone.
by O6nop
Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:48 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Procedure at the state capitol
Replies: 49
Views: 6587

Re: Procedure at the state capitol

I have every confidence that the DPS or APD will come up with something similar to a Nuisance Abatement to restrict CHLers from entering the Capitol grounds at all.
Keith B wrote:There will more than likely not be metal detectors in place by the 17th since the article says within the next 45 days. And, let's face it, all that is required is to show your CHL to the person at the metal detector, and be allowed to walk around the unit, or even pass through and they ignore the beep. It ain't that hard to do.
What was required before? Why is it OK to single us out from all other citizens? Why are we wiping our brow because it isn't worse? Why are we going backwards? Who are we protecting with this new rule (inside,outside, what difference does it make?)?
by O6nop
Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:00 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Procedure at the state capitol
Replies: 49
Views: 6587

Re: Procedure at the state capitol

Kythas wrote:I guess the April 17th 2nd Amendment rally at the State Capitol is timed perfectly, then!
Except if there is NO procedure in place by then, CHLers will not be able to go into the Capitol building. And from the sound of it, there will be CHLers there.
by O6nop
Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:58 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Procedure at the state capitol
Replies: 49
Views: 6587

Re: Procedure at the state capitol

Charles L. Cotton wrote: No Herr 06nop, you von't haf to show yer papers. The detailed procedures have not been set, but I expect it to be much like the Harris County Courthouses where I just show my FVC card (a/k/a frequent flier card) and walk around the metal detectors.

Tongue in cheek, I hope!
Charles L. Cotton wrote:I didn't say metal detectors at the Capitol was "great news," I was answering a question about whether armed CHL's would be excluded from the Capitol. RHINRIKSEN wasn't saying metal detectors at the Capitol was good news; he said it was good news that armed CHL's would not be barred from the Capitol.

They never were! Where's the Great News?
ETA: I was referring to RHINRIKSEN's statement, Charles. I didn't see where you might have inferred it was "great news" Sorry
Charles L. Cotton wrote:06nop wrote:
I can't walk in with my kids?Why not?


Sounds like separate entrances for CHLers from the sound of it, and since NO procedure is in place, who knows what might happen.
by O6nop
Tue Apr 13, 2010 10:22 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Procedure at the state capitol
Replies: 49
Views: 6587

Re: Capitol to install Metal Detectors. Gov. notes NO

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
ErnieP wrote:The Capitol will soon become a "crime welcome" location with the adoption today of a new policy to quickly install metal detectors. Here is a link to the Austin-American Statesman article:

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/ ... kayed.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While not stated, I strongly suspect there is no CHL exemption.....

Guess I will not be visiting Our Capitol again.....ugh........
CHL's will be allowed to enter and DPS will be adopting appropriate procedures to all us to do so. As Keith pointed out, CHL's cannot be excluded as a matter of law.

Chas.
Appropriate??? What does that mean? Will I have to present 'papers' to enter my State Capitol? I can't walk in with my kids?

This is not "Great News" at all. This is setting a precedent and it will be happening all over the state.
Dewhurst: "...I don’t think that the public are going to mind one bit...”

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