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74novaman wrote:can't imagine being able to pocket carry it

nor with my PT111
It may not be a full size weapon, but heavy enough that if I didn't have my cinched up super-tight, my shorts would fall down and would need an oversized pocket to put it in to start with .
I couldn't imagine carrying it in dockers or jeans!

A pt111 pro was my first carry weapon.
I bought a Crossbreed Minituck (which they no longer make for the PT111), but you can get the Supertuck.

I highly recommend it