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03Lightningrocks wrote:
Yes!! I see it here quite often. You included. But carry on. Again... I simply quoted from what the NRA itself recommends!! If that offends you, so be it. I made up nothing and quite frankly couldn't care less if you want to drink like a hobo and play Russian roulette. Have at it...

For the record. There happen to be many things the law does not forbid that are not very smart to do. For instance, there is no law against putting an "empty" revolver to my head and pulling the trigger. Telling people it is not a wise thing to do is not "making up my own laws".

The rhetoric tone and position sounds familiar, hear it a lot on anti gun sites and anti 2A advocates.

The law says X, but I believe Y, and so you should do what i want, not what the laws states . "My feelings override your rights under the law"

I am not advocating carrying a concealed handgun while intoxicated Never have, not in any post you can cite..never will.

I am advocating that the law in question has limits, and defines when it is illegal to carry.

As Im sure all here would expect and demand that if the LAW did not restrict concealed carry in a public place,, we should not be told "Well my feelings are it isn't right, so I say you can't"

I would hope, that these same 2A advocates would stand by ALL the laws that concern us, not pick and choose for the group....
Personal choose? Sure absolutely.. If a TX CC person does not want to even walk by a bar and still carry... I stand by his choice

If another TX CC person wants to follow the law, and carry while not intoxicated.. I stand by that choice as well.

03Lightningrocks wrote: Can anyone explain to me why we have folks who try like crazy to justify drinking and handling guns?? .

Have you seen that here? I have not.. What i have seen is.. people that actually understand the law as written, and believe, folks should operate within it, and the law should only enforce it as it is,, not as a few extremist wish it were.

The Law has a definition,, the law sates not to be intoxicated and carry.. Obey the law.. don't make up your own personal version and apply it to others.

MaxBerlin wrote:Sincere appreciation to Keith for pulling this thread along on numerous occasions.

The answer seems clearer to me now.

If you want to CHL with impunity, don't drink.

If you want to CHL with ineptitude, have a drink.

Not even close
ineptitude: the quality or state of being inept; especially : incompetence

There is NOTHING illegal, or inept, or incompetent in relation to NOT BEING intoxicated while carrying a concealed handgun.
Which is what is being discussed here.. NOT being intoxicated and carrying.
Not a single person has inferred or stated, being intoxicated and carrying is a good, legal or even OK idea.

But many have cited the LAW and common sense in that, it is both ok and legal to NOT BE intoxicated and carry a gun concealed.

Not sure why some here have an issue with NOT BEING intoxicated and carrying a weapon concealed,, but clearly, some do.

race4beer wrote:What I remember from my CHL class is that there is no "legal limit", and it is at the sole discretion of the officer to determine if you are impaired. Being impaired could be from alcohol, other drugs, or even drowsy from lack of sleep or from taking some over the counter allergy medication. My personal opinion is that this would fall under the "Do not operate heavy machinery" clause on most OTC medications. You may be fine, but if an officer is having a bad day or is in a general bad mood, you could be in trouble and having to prove your way out of it in court.

Still, no sir.. not correct, regardless of what your instructor told you..
There is a legal definition of intoxicated

"Intoxicated" means:
(A) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or
(B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more.

Teamless wrote:The reason I have the policy of no alcohol, is not that I cannot handle it, quite the contrary, I can handle it.

Its simply that if I had the need to use my weapon to legally defend myself, then when they test my breath or blood, and the slight amount of alcohol shows up, that could (or would) give some reasonable doubt that the shoot was not clean.

I am not going to jeopardize that outcome with the need for a single beer, wine or mixed drink.
its just not worth it.

And I applaud your informed decision.

I dislike, those instructors and self appointed guardian CHL'ers that refuse to cite the law as it is,,, not as they think it should be based on personal opinion.

Sorry for the soapbox...

But to me,,, instructors and self appointed guardian CHL's that refuse to discuss the law as it is because they know better than the rest of us.. ie it's for our own good.. are as bad as the nanny statist in our city, state, federal government that try and take anything THEY perceive as bad away from the masses... and not just educate us and let the adults make the decision for themselves.

docbrazos wrote:Loaded or unloaded a gun in the console is carrying. Intoxicated in as far as carrying is 0.00

No sir, never has been.. Often discussed, and then the law as it really is gets cited, talked about,,,, and we find,, folks were misinformed or replacing what the law says with personal opinion..when the two are not the same..

If a personal decision is made not to drink and carry, thats great, and I agree.. but the LAW makes no such requirement.. Only that you not be intoxicated, which has definition should you wish to look it up..

I like that instructors teach common sense, I just wish they would learn the law they want to discuss or not misstate the truth because of personal bias / opinions... Tell the truth, the whole truth and the reason you choose otherwise and let the adults in the class make an adult personal INFORMED choice...