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RoyGBiv wrote:

bronco78 wrote:I can tell you what passive like minded non combats have or have not done.

I would be interested in any first hand opinions/experience you would care to share.
The answer to the question.... "What do the non-fanatics think and how do they act?" is extremely important in deciding the correct course of action... I agree that history is important to understand, but today's situational reality is what we're faced with acting upon.

Iraq and Afghanistan are my areas of experience.. with a smattering of Pakistan.

27 Months in Iraq
12 months in Afghanistan
Several day trips to Pakistan, and many hours in joint PAK-AFG border operation stations.

The locals come in many groups. Just a few larger ones are:
1:Hostile, openly or not.
2:Friendly or neutral face to face, but will passively (watch a IED emplaced or know an ambush is set up) allow enemy activity with no warning to Foreign troops.
3:Truly neutral, ie don’t interact, or provide help actively or passively to either group.. (ie, just what to grow poppy and live)
4:Players on either side, which ever has the better ability to help them prosper, or survive. This group can and does change sides with no regard to past deals.. it can happing daily.. Take money or some other goods in exchange for pointing out an IED…then that night take money or other barter for “letting” insurgents plant an IED, inform on foreign troops ect.

Beiruty wrote:Please research how Muslims conducted their wars.

Would you like an accurate and recent abject lesson on how they have conducted there wars over the last 10 years?

Im not a history buff, so what happened 600 years ago is not a point of my experience or expertise.

Im not a religious guy in any way, for any religion...So I’ll let others discuss and debate what a text says or purports to directs/ limit. Others can talk about what the bible does or does not say, or the Koran does or does not say.. and that’s all great theory... Reality, on the ground.. is not the same.

But I can tell you with a large amount of experience and subject matter expertise how they actually have conducted warfare in the last 10 years… I can tell you what passive like minded non combats have or have not done. I can tell you how morals and ethics have no place in being discussed in the way Muslims conducted their wars in modern times.
As there they have none, as the words are understood by westerners.. It is purely about power, and the fighters do so based on who has it, and what leader or group is most likely to get them more of it.

You all are tin foil hat wearing people, this is just more workplace violence, like the Army Soldier at FortHood,.. if you do not believe me, just ask the president, he'll tell you.

US Ambassador did not have a military presence at his location because ,, that presence would have upset the locals.....

Another State department grand idea gone wrong..... I HATE dealing with State department types.... there idiocy in security knows NO bounds... but then they cry like little kids when _______ hits the fan..and start looking to blame someone when the restrictions THEY insisted upon FAILED to allow actual security.