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gigag04 wrote:55 yo otherwise law abiding citizens need not worry about getting hooked up for walking down the street where sidewalk provided.

Feather-legged charges like that are best saved for special cases. (saying it for the last time)

First time , last time, every time.. You posted what amounts to gray area stuff, and have only to say in effect.. Trust me,, I know more about it then you.. Your just a civilian, you don't know what I know.
To which I agree But yet know personally, you will be called on it time and time again.

I think most understand, your using tactics like this not on the grandpa walking down the street for a qt of lowfat his wife sent him for.. But the guy known to you from prior stops, at 0320 walking down the street in a high drug distro area, after getting a call that another fellow drug dealing thug was just shot two blocks over, and this thug meets a general description, though different color shirt. To bad for him, he is in the street, not the sidewalk.. PC or whatever for the stop, ...onward and upward from there...
The rub to it of course some is LEO out there is using this same type Technic to stop, detain arrest someone for much less honorable reasons.

gigag04 wrote:Like I said, it's a problem solving tool. It's not something I'm working to combat in my zone, just a way to get figure out who someone is.

With all due respect, until you've worked the overnight shift in an area full of drugs, your good ideas about police work are just that. Come do a ride a long and you'll see how we use simple laws, like the pedestrian statutes to curb drugs, prostitution, burglaries, and thefts. Having a valid detention is a great pre-text to bigger things...

Funny, when I use the very same argument on this very board, and others here in TX Im told, No way,, you work for us, the people are in charge and we have as much right to tell you how to do your job as anyone.. We the people voted by law to allow your organization to exist, your LEO leadership is elected, or named. You have no power we the people do not give you.
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And gigag04 what you speak of doing is a time honored tradition by law enforcement, of that there is no question, most times, on the correct side of the slippery slope.. and with best intentions and ok outcomes.
As well as anyone with an internet connection can tell you, it’s been greatly abused by LEO’s in every county, in every state in the US, thousands of times.. Odds are, at this very moment, someone in your department, right now, is abusing their authority, or running the wrong side of gray area per personal gain.. vs safety of the people..

That is just reality.. Same as someplace in my unit, some dirtbag is targeting a person they should not, running someone off the road there is no need to, or conducting escalation of force when a bit of common sense is all that is needed… We, like you and the rest of the good cops,, seek out these folks, and terminate them with prejudice.


Additionally gigag04.. I understand the requirement to ID myself,, I must not lie, and I must tell you who I am.. I did not / do not think there is a lawful requirement to present you with a form of ID..

That was the question I read above,, and what I poorly attempted to ask… Other then driving.. or carrying a concealed hand gun..

Edit while typing

No- verbal is fine, as long as I don't suspect you're lying. Which, isn't something I think anyone on here needs to worry about.

gigag04 answered the question.. Thanks

gigag04 wrote:If you're walking down the street (when there is a sidewalk or with traffic), and refuse to ID, I would take you to jail for it. If you still refuse, I'd add fail to ID, and do a two finger lookup.

gigag04, can you provide a cite that requires us to ID ourselfs

Or under what code, law, would you cite someone for falling to comply with when you charge them with failure to ID.

Thanks