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by E.Marquez
Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:42 pm
Forum: Other States
Topic: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.
Replies: 189
Views: 27909

Re: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.

C-dub wrote:Bronco78, unless you have some educational background in psychology or psychiatry I think your experience with PTSD isn't all that different from those NCO's.
Fair enough position to take. :thumbs2:

I don’t have an educational background in psychology or psychiatry, the difference as I read it from what YOU posted is.. I don’t diagnose people with PTSD, as your NCO's seem to have done.
But fair enough, I do undiagnose them :biggrinjester:

The point is valid, my opinion based on my experience is no more valid then your NCO's telling you what they did. :tiphat:
by E.Marquez
Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:57 am
Forum: Other States
Topic: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.
Replies: 189
Views: 27909

Re: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.

pcgizzmo wrote: Our NCO's lead us to believe it happened to some coming out of basic and then the fear of war with out actually being in war. I have never seen or heard of anything like it since but from what I remember them saying it happened on occasion when some recruits got to their duty stations.
Your NCO's should have stuck with educating you on things they were qualified to discuss.
Though there are some Docs that would agree with such nonsense, so I guess, it’s not black and white as I would like it to be.
I stand fast in my personal observations and opinion.. The term PTSD is over used, used as an excuse often, diagnosed against people who have not experienced traumatic events relatively when compared to a LEO, first responder, or Military member who sees, kills, wounds, picks up dead blown up, burned, friends, enemy’s alike.
by E.Marquez
Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:36 pm
Forum: Other States
Topic: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.
Replies: 189
Views: 27909

Re: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.

chasfm11 wrote:
“Obviously, it’s an unfortunate set of circumstances that transpired,” Adams said. “We feel that due to the fact that (Harless) has PTSD, that nobody realized it for eight-plus years, for it to come to light the way it did ... this is not a way we wanted this to play out. PTSD is obviously a disease.
One of the articles is interesting. In the above quote, it says that noone realized Harless had PTSD for eight years. It another point, it says that he was diagnosed with PTSD multiple times. I'm sure that the truth lies somewhere between those alternatives.

While I understand that PTSD, like many other mental illnesses, is difficult to diagnose and treat, someone who has it bad enough to have created the video taped situation needs to be in a different line of work. I"m glad that is the way that it worked out.
My Opinion, based on a few years of service in the job arena that most uses the PTSD tag line is, it is way over used, used as a excuse, rather than a possible reason when applicable, or when accused of wrong doing (it's not my fault, the PTSD made me do it). It is very much over diagnosed, which then only cheapens the diagnosis for those that are truly affected and crates distrust in all other cases.

As In: I have had several cases over the last 10 years that a Service member being considered for involuntarily separation from service for misconduct (theft, DUI, robbery, murder), chemical dependency, AWOL, ect , who go though the mandatory psyche eval, and are returned to the unit with a diagnosis of PTSD, yet those service members are enlistment, no prior service first term, never deployed.. Their personal actions, and the militaries consideration for separation is being countered with a diagnosis for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

As well as, what is used to help identify PTSD, is easily faked, or mis diagnosed.
Three areas looked at: intrusive memories, avoidance and numbing, and increased anxiety or emotional arousal (hyperarousal).
Symptoms of intrusive memories may include:
Flashbacks, or reliving the traumatic event for minutes or even days at a time
Upsetting dreams about the traumatic event
Symptoms of avoidance and emotional numbing may include:
Trying to avoid thinking or talking about the traumatic event
Feeling emotionally numb
Avoiding activities you once enjoyed
Hopelessness about the future
Memory problems
Trouble concentrating
Difficulty maintaining close relationships
Symptoms of anxiety and increased emotional arousal may include:
Irritability or anger
Overwhelming guilt or shame
Self-destructive behavior, such as drinking too much
Trouble sleeping
Being easily startled or frightened
Hearing or seeing things that aren't there
Lastly, just because you feel, see or realize some , many, or all of those things above, it does not mean you HAVE PTSD.. Yet that is what is being handed out at most every Psyche eval.
Reality is, firefighter, policeman, Military, CHL possessor, many will not seek help, for to do so is an almost forgone conclusion that said person WILL be labeled as having PTSD,, a mental defect, disease, damage, or otherwise concern. Once that bell is sounded, it cannot be unrung. You are labeled as weak, unstable, incapable, less trustworthy.
If I were to be diagnosed with PTSD, a likely conclusion if I were to seek mental health care and honestly lay out the last 27 years.. .. What happens if I have a CC shoot.. You think for a moment, that “evidence” will not be used against me by the DA, or in a civil trial, the attorney for the “victim”?

PTSD is real.. and it is really an overused diagnosis and excuse for one’s personal actions
by E.Marquez
Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:07 pm
Forum: Other States
Topic: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.
Replies: 189
Views: 27909

Re: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.

testersbc wrote:per NRA blog officer harless was fired today!!
As noted a few posts above yours.
Officer Harless was fired. Plans to appeal.
http://ohioccw.org/harless-fired.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not sure what the basis for appeal would be, but I’m sure it will be entertaining.
by E.Marquez
Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:08 am
Forum: Other States
Topic: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.
Replies: 189
Views: 27909

Re: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.

Asked and answered..
Case dropped by judge.. Next up civil case.

http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=49592" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
wharvey wrote:Old thread but I haven't seen mention of the results of the trial on this forum. After the prosecution, although I think persecution would be the proper term to use, presented their case the defense make a motion to dismiss the charge and the judge agreed. Ended up only paying a small fine for stopping on the roadway.

Saddest thing is there has still been no disciplinary action taken against the joke of a cop. Ohio has always had a bad reputation with regard to their police. Do a some research. You will also find a lot of issues with property confiscation; been mentioned on many motorcycle forums. Ohio doesn't rank as high as NJ or NY as states to stay out of but it ranks up there, at least in my opinion.
by E.Marquez
Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:23 am
Forum: Other States
Topic: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.
Replies: 189
Views: 27909

Re: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.

chasfm11 wrote:
Blindref757 wrote:I would be willing to bet that this officer talks to people like this every night he works. He needs to find a new line of work.
:iagree: I'd be willing to bet that he isn't alone on this conduct either. His partner's willingness to tolerate the outbursts indicates that the opinion of the City Councilman is understood within the department. Like just about everywhere else, I'm sure that the department has a lot of good, dedicated officers. There will always be a few officers like this one who need to be kept in line. If the proper steps to do that are not taken in a timely manner, those with aberrant behavior are emboldened and just get worse.

There is another thread running now where the police department in Quartzite, AZ has become a pawn of a very public political catfight. I believe that departments often taken on the tone of their leadership. If the chief in Canton had shown that leadership, the officer in this OP would have been excused from duty from the previous the incidents that he had and this incident never would have happened. While I blame the officer, he is not singularly responsible for what happened.
:cheers2: :hurry: :hurry:

You’re dead on.

When there is an established standard, common and known to all.. And a team member does something below the standard, observed by a leader, supervisor, or even a peer, but nothing is said or done. A new lower standard has effective been set and is now the norm. :banghead:
by E.Marquez
Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:02 am
Forum: Other States
Topic: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.
Replies: 189
Views: 27909

Re: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.

CHL: "Officer..."
LEO: "Shut up!"
CHL: (ASSERTIVE VOICE) "FOR YOUR SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW, I...Thwap...... ...hey.. stop it...ThwapthwapthwapOWeeeee,, hey, officer thwapthwap....officer I have thwap, I ha thwap.....................................Later that week.......................Nurse, may I have another cup of ice chips (written on a note pad, as it's tough to talk with your jaw wired)

NOTE, This has been a tongue in cheek ad-lib change to a post above, no animal or personal feelings were intended to be hurt.
:mrgreen:
by E.Marquez
Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:11 am
Forum: Other States
Topic: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.
Replies: 189
Views: 27909

Re: OH - LEO Notification goes BAD, really BAD.

Yes, the LEO was a tool... No, most are not, yes the victim will be blamed by some, even some here. Much like some will blame a rape Vitim for what they wore, or a robbery victim for where they were.

With luck the victim will own a large part of that townships annual budget after court costs. With luck, those two officers will no longer be LEO's, will be convicted of one or more criminal offences and get to enjoy the company of other criminals for some amount of time in lockup.

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